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will probably do that on my other comp, tihs one's a dell from 1999 and has 6GB hdd
the other one has ~830GB built it myself

any favorite ftp client?

then mplayer probably can't handle them

filezilla

ncftp is nice, but just ftp is enough too.

Python is the 'official' language for Red Hat, many things are in Perl, C or C++
uPython is the 'official' language for Red Hat, many things are in Perl, C or C++/u

I always recommend "structure and interpretation of computer programs"

I didn't think very many people still sued perl

blasphemy

is taht a book?

it's free online

okay, thanks

yep

Wow- there's a pretty huuge perl community.

gftp for a Gnome client, konqueror for KDE

every good sysadmin knows perl

http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html

one my brothers knows perl and he's very good at what he does, but he told me it was archaic

I have a compaq dl 360 and am having trouble getting it and even puppy to recognize scsi drives

old != bad

I wouldn't say perl make a good admin... it makes a better admin

so what's the advantage of perl over python?

I trying to dl FC7 on Windows XP and it times out... I had two dls going and they both timed out at the same time

use bittorrent, it won't timeout

debatable. I'm on the python side of the fence myself

They're just two different languages with different styles, philosophies, etc.

windows doesn't want you to download fedora

mainly whitespace

hodges, obfuscated job security

ha, good point

Take a look at examples/resources for both and see what you like/don't like.

why not use azureus?

I hate the popular misconception that Perl is necessarily ugly/cryptic.

coolball what are you using to download it? I agree with hodges, save money for the servers.

perl seems to have a more "traditional" coding style

azureus

azureus is a bloated pig

but isn't utorrent win only?

actually, utorrent azureus

Yup.

utorrent works fine with wine

hodges, http://rafb.net/p/AK4Qdg86.html

and that's why it's preferable

I was just handed this basic code
:o

whoa! old school!

sorry but you're wrong.

anyone you scsi raid?

azureus is bloated and a memory hog, utorrent is sleak and streamlined like a corvette stingray

whoa... line numbers
gosub
now that's a blast from the past
haha

easy buddy. there's no wrong or right when it comes to people's preferences

Windows

not only that, I was agreeing with you

i never had linenumbers in quickbasic, you m ight be using qbasic or an older version of quickbasic

hodges, and used by fat middle aged guys with hair transplants and a mid-life crisis?

or they could be using GW-Basic
now I'm showing my age

or just plain old basic

I think it's just Basic.

azureus has a lot more plugins and toys, but utorrent does what I need it to do

azureus has a blue frog
that's a pretty awesome feature.

lol

anybody ever use CP/M ?

for a lot less resource cost

blue frog pwns j00! lol

azureus also has a splash screen that doesn't go away

hodges, no utorrent for linux.

bitchkat, true, unless you use SUN Java.

'azureus' is actually the name of that blue flog

true

frog*

I need a player that can play .mod video's from a JVC EVERIO camera.. Does anybody know such a player??

ferrum, actually it only happens when I use SUN java

bitchkat, odd, it works over here.

at it sucks up CPU when i use gcj

Hi, does anyone here have any experience with madwifi?

I'm 21, in shape, and have a full head of hair
unless you meant about the corvette
and that's a shame

the poisonous blue azureus frog -- http://www.bluechameleon.org/Photo%20&%20Image%20Stockpile%20-%20BCV/Dendrobates%20azureus%20-%20CAPTION.jpg

hodges, yes about your comment that utorrent is like a corvette

choose two"

I can't believe it... it's a BT client holy war...

you don't have an 864 number do you

ferrum, i think its more like choose any of those options except 1 & 3

i would reccomend bittornado its very low resource

some kid named tylerc sent a message to my phone asking if i wanted to go to the skatepark

WTF?
I don't own a Cell, lol

bbq?

bbq.

just making sure

hard to believe none of you whack jobs could help me out with my job posting
ha

Mathman, wha?

I cannot remember the function to list what kind of Wireless it is, lol

what? I can't even good a decent job myself

Mathman, I'm in uni :/

too late now, but I was trying to come up with a good advertisement for a job opening I have.

I just use a Linksys WAP54G as a client so I don't need wireless cards or drivers

hodges, AR5006EG

: chuckles. "What are you hiring for?"

uh...what?
i'ma go dry my clothes

Oh, nevermind

Mathman, "applicant must be proficient in popping zits off boss' hairy back" muhahahah.. hhahaha. whaaaaacko.

I was thinking "private desks for browsing porn"

check it: http://rafb.net/p/ZkUVLd41.html

Mathman, holy shit, that's my job o_O
Except I earn less.
;_____________;

ha, actually got serious after that part. anyhow

Hello! I'm having some display issues. My screen is a 1280x800 monitor. whenever i restart my machine my settings revert to something that requires me to scroll to the right to see it. When i change the screen resolution then go back to previous settings, it fixes itself

Haha.

any suggestions to fix this?

sounds like our helpdesk staff, but it requires more intelligence and offers more pay

hey, off-topic, but can anyone find a better deal than the one here: http://www.servage.net/ ?
guy just called me and wants me to set up web hosting for him.

hello yall, i'm back

welcome back

thanks
i'm now trying to get gstreamer to work so that i can listen to my music
however, i'm not having any luck like usual

www.fedorafaq.org

Yech- I can't stand any service without shell access.

riczho, it's an old piano instructor, I think he'll be alright without ssh.

Aha.

ferrum, 1and1.com's great for el cheapo shared hosting (no ssh on the cheaper accts tho; ftp only).

zcat, hmm $3.99 is much better..

bluehost is cheapish with shell access

really just going for cheap web hosting here; he doesn't have much income.

bluehost is like 7.95 a month

1and1 is $4/mo

with no shell

he won't need shell

ferrum, i read that site you told me, but i got an error

what's the error?

don't want to post the huge thing in here.
where can i post it?

http://rafb.net/paste

http://rafb.net/p/eoevhy19.html

..I'm not sure..

when i go to "add/remove programs" it says it can't be done because i don't have network access or something
however i can see my network, interact with it, and i'm also on the internet through my lan so...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SwLL8mBkDxQ&mode=related&search=
whoops wrong window

haha
ealier i did something with fedora core 7?
i think
repositories.. perhaps i screwed something up?

you installed livna from the .rpm, right?

i think so
it was a while ago

rpm -q livna-release

yeah..

did you take the fedorafaq's yum.conf? that might be outdated..

i have no idea.

you have to remember what you changed :x

i've changed so much i don't remember half of it
if i did, do you think that would be the cause of it?
did/didn't

Has anyone had any difficulties installing FC7 on a Dell D620?

perhaps. Try to resolve something from the default mirrors. "yum info pidgin" or something
forb1dden_, is that a laptop? what difficulties are you having?

ferrum, yes. Installer works fine but after the initial reboot it simply hangs when attempting to load the kernel.

forb1dden, at the boot screen press "a" and add " maxcpus=1" to the end

I've been able to install ubuntu on the same machine just to confirm that the hardware is working
but for some odd reason fc7 just wont boot
ferrum i'll give it a shot
uno momento
pardon, but at the installer boot menu or as a grub option?
ep grub nevermind
hrmm

grub

is it due to issues with the centrino duo or simply all dual core processors
oh and btw it worked and thank you

all dual core; it's a kernel issue. It'll be fixed some time soon.
np
you should add that info to /boot/grub/grub.conf so that you don't have to do that every time.

excellent
thanks again though

ferrum, i tried the "yum info pidgin" and it came out with pretty much or exactly the same thing as the info i copied and showed you before.
what do you mean by try and resolve by default mirrors?

Has anybody gotten the Cisco VPN client to compile on Fedora 7?

not I

ferrum, i found the file that i got.. it was Fedora 7 repository RPM from rpm.livna.org

I just use vpnc.

Oh, is that an open-source one?
I didn't even know about it.

perhaps a restart or a logoff/log on?

Yes. And you can use the network manager plugin with it as well.

Hey, nice! :-)
Thanks, I'll use that instead, and see if it works. :-)

It works with our Cisco VPN aggregators.

how can i see what all the irssi files are included in yum?

rpm -ql irssi

how can i set my monitor to be 1280x768 ? the closest monitor is 1024x800 and it's making my screen too wide

How is it that one uses those NetworkManager plugins? I've installed it, but I don't normally use NetworkManager.
Also, I don't actually have a PCF, I just have the connection details.

Anyone had any luck getting lightscribe software working under F7?

Although I could write a PCF.

thanks but i want to know what is available via yum for irssi files

Hopefully vpnc doesn't panic my kernel randomly. That would make it a lot better than the Cisco VPN client.

im curious why /script load in irssi doesnt work

it's completely userspace

it says there is no such command
but there should be

Okay, great.

I don't know about pcf files. I just define a new connection through the gui.

The NetworkManager GUI?

Yes. After installing NetworkManager-vpnc you should have a new area for defining vpn connections.

Okay, thanks!
I'll start up NM.

anyone happen to know how large the ata Host Protected Area is? need to shrink one of my extended partitions on an old disk so the kernel stops complaining about it.

is livna down?

6MB-ish apparently

the answer is /load perl

are you unable to add/remove applications?
yeah. linux is broken
dang it

shankysv87, it is very difficult to fix if you don't know what was changed, and the error is very vague. You could consider reinstalling if you haven't done lots of setup.
(and then not touching anything!)

lol
i just want a few things and all those things to work correctly

shankysv87, did you try a 'yum clean all' yet?

nope. let me try.
i can't get add/remove applications to work.. when i go there.. it says "Unable to retrieve software information"
lol
ok.. reinstall time
be back in a little while

bah, you're nuts

yeah, been that way since i went crazy.

the logic is flawless

you're going to reinstall fedora just because your gui software manager thingy isn't working? open up a command line and run "yum install kyum" or something

Mathman, that doesn't work either.

I still say a reinstall is a bit extreme

probably takes less time than diagnosing the error
install for me was about 10 mins :/

oh yeah.. reinstalling.. bbl

Hmm.. I used a netinstall from a USB stick, so reinstalling isn't generally practical for me

freebsd doesn't have mirrors?
hum

Hi people

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html

oho, excellent

But yeah- it's amazing that they survive even though they barely encourage people to use other mirrors.
Hi!

I'm looking for a way of making my usb NTFS HDD automount with user permisions.. Any pointers?

epablo, install the NTFS drives and add an entry to fstab
drivers*

http://fedorasolved.org/post-install-solutions/ntfs/

That would work only for me.. I'm looking for a way of doing it in the HAL / gnome-volume-managent level.
I already installed ntfs-3g, but it mounts the drive with root permisions..

hello pippl.

or uid=uid

It doesn't mount the drive with any permissions at all because it doesn't mount the drive. You do.
I imagine this is why gnome-mount-nautilus-properties exists.

I am unable to get the fedora 7 i386 install to not hang up after I select the language and keyboard layout. I googled this but I only found somebody else complaining about the same thing.

long name :/

BTW... you've decided doing it with an entry in fstab would only work for you because...?

it works manually. But when I plug it in.. It gets mounted just like a flash drive.. it looks like the same script doing the mount (looking a dmesg) but the NTFS omits the uid= paramter

Any ideas?

gnome-mount-nautilus-properties. Where is that sitting?

As should be obvious, it's the name of a package.

Well I really don't know if I can set a variable for the user there
Thanks.. looking for the pkg

Gods only know why you think you need to.

Don't like the idea of setting a 000 umask

Since apparently you've decided that anyone who plugs it in should be able to write to it, wtf difference does it make?
Did someone suggest you set a system-wide umask? No? I didn't think so.

If I plug it.. Only I want to be able to use it. The other users shouldn't be able to use it. Shared machine.. ssh.. that sort of stuff

Is there a known fix for the f7 install hang? If so, anyone know where it was posted?

Which is the way it works by default.. so again, what's the problem again?

By defualt only root can write it. I wan't to make it user friendly (plug and pray) and that not every user logged in at the time can modify it

mwilson, im confused

So am I. Why he insists on the drive being formatted NTFS is beyond me.

huffing paint will do that

mwilson, 'cause ntfs is da shiznit!

I laughed, even if he didn't

Thanks, lunitik. :-)

Any recomendations for a FS for a 100GB drive that keeps it Winblows compatible?

Uhh... then set 007 or 077 or something (latter only if you make use of groups correctly...)

CIFS

Chances are, user and group is the same... thus 007... else something else.

Isn't that network based (smb)

yes
you asked

No, it's sneaker net
There are DLL's for EXT3 for Windows...
Better than the NTFS support in Linux... EXT3 is documented...
vfat also, but / can't be that. plus, vfat sucks

It doesn't make it very useable.. I need to go around with ext3 dll and the disk. But yes it is well documented

Do any of you have software RAID 5 that was active when you did your f7 install? Maybe it's hanging because of that for some reason.

epablo, unless you're doing video editing or something, it's fast enough (over gigabit).

Then use CIFS in workgroup mode... easiest solution.

banyan, yes, and it was detected just fine. (raid5 /home)

Unless you want to learn Samba... you probably don't though.

so, that's not the reason my f7 install stalled.
well, mine is /var... but even so.

vfat? Can I use it for a such a big drive? Or are you talking about cifs?

Seriously, vfat sucks. I'm restating this because it really sucks.

epablo, vfat = fat32

I agree

I select my language and my keyboard layout, and nothing else happens.

epablo, get a NAS. then you don't have to worry about filesystems so much

banyan, what language are you selecting?

English.
And US.

Where is the install stalling?

banyan, try disabling the graphical installer.

Immediately after that. Does it both in graphical and text.

hum

If it's stalling on a package and giving an error, try again. If it's stalling while resolving deps, just wait... takes forever... worst thing about Fedora by far.
At least in Network mode.

It doesn't get that far, I don't think.
I mean, it blanks out, using basically 100% of cpu, after I select the keyboard layout.

Install itself

All in graphics mode.

Um, not quite sure I'm following.

Where can I find doc on kernel parameters? I had to use nolapic but I want to learn what I disabled

I don't get as far as the license.

That's the sequence... what do you remember doing?

Oh, sorry. I get as far as the keyboard layout. Then nothing happens.

It's just an "accept" or "decline" message saying "You understand where to find out this stuff, right?"

epablo, the fedora install guide has a complete list

It's the first stage of the installer

thanks

OK, I probably did go through that.

Hmm, it asked you what kind of layout to try?

epablo, http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f7/en_US/sn-bootoptions-hardware.html

I get as far as the keyboard layout.
I select US, OK, then.... it furiously does nothing.

epablo, well, not totally complete, but good enough. it's missing the maxcpus, nohz, and a couple others

Hardware RAID vs BIOS?

ok

It's software RAID.

s/vs/via/

But that isn't the root partition. Maybe that doesn't matter.

it's missing nolapic

what's nohz actually good for, anyway?

It is interesting that the next bit it's doing is messing around with the partitioning.

Hey all

hey

coolbreeze, disables the crappy new tickless stuff in the .21 kernel that can cause your system to freeze (like it does mine)

I just installed OOffice rpms off their site (the one bundled with FC7 didn't have base)

coolbreeze, specificially it's "nohz=off"

andyman53, yum install openoffice.org-base

but now i can't find the apps, they're not under "office" or on the desktop and the only thing in /usr/bin is an executable called "ooffice"

ok, thanks

andyman53, see above

Maybe it's trying to figure out how the drives are put together and gets all locked up.

ok

well I'm leaving for today.. Thanks for your patients

also, "rpm -ql package" lists the files provided by package

ferrum's command is working now

Did you try running that to see if it at least loads the main wizard? Likely -writer -calc and -present weren't installed.

i could've sworn i tried that before, and thats what pushed me to get the rpms off the site

Then again I could just do the yum network update even though it's not recommended owing to how the disk driver modules have been reworked.

yeah it loads a main program that doesn't let you do anything
yum is working now though....

That installs the database application afaik

you're right, that'd work
just kept spitting back at me "nothing to do" before

"nothing to do?" A: When yum reports "nothing to do" what it's really saying is that the "package may already be installed" (or it doesn't exist), so there's nothing for it to do. (ask directly: rpm -q package).

(I believe -base is the excel alternative....

base is the access alternative

calc is the excel analog

yeah
and base doesn't come with fc7

oh! I didn't know there was an access alternative.

Perhaps not by default...

true...

-calc is excel

i'm pretty sure i enabled all the office packages in setup

If you didn't do it yourself, -base isn't installed.

ok

Still need -writer probably at least... unless that's all you're missing?

well i'm gonna go through the bases now and install -writer and -calc

what's up people

There is -impress (Powerpoint) and -draw (Publisher) also...

i'm familiar with those

scribus

i've been an openoffce guy for a whiiiiile now
and linux guy in general
base works

Not sure why they wouldn't be installed, weird.

i think they were
and then to get base working i effed everything up

i'm taking on the task of converting a really huge amount of mp3s into ogg

Hahah

huge being 30gb

yay... although you should use wildcards to your advantage though.

if not more

(if you're not)

i'm not doing command line
tiny chunks at a time

So long as you're not doing it one by one, else imma slap you through your computer =P
Ahhh... ew...

i'm converting Nevermind by Nirvana right now

Well, have fun I guess

you should spend 10 minutes working out how to do it all at once

Does ogg have the ld5 type tags?

with a 30GB collection any other way would be quite unwieldy

Yes. It has metadata

i don't need to do them all at once, i'm not that pushy

why convert to ogg?

Legality?

well if you're an open source elitist, ogg is the way to go

it's legal for endusers to own mp3, iirc

or just don't want to put up with mp3 BS

just not corporations

And has anyone done that hack to allow ogg support on an ipod?

Microsoft recently got sued, and lost 1.5billion because it ships MP3.

rockbox

right, they're a corporation.

So is Red Hat.

right. But we can work around that.

who sued microsoft?

You lose quality when you convert

Sure, but it's better to just not break the law.

we're not breaking the law. No laws are being broken.

a lot of what i've turned into ogg have been straight from CD rips

I remember when someone tried to claim copyright on GIF files but lost

tw2113, then that's great

Not really, Vorbis is actually better quality.

red hat does not come with mp3

yes, it is. However, you lose quality when converting.
best would be to re-rip from the CD

You have to install it from livna, I think.

Not necessarily... you can actually improve quality in some cases.

banyan, google rockbox for your ipod

lunatik, no, that's impossible. How can you get more data than is present?

I suppose that would toast my stereo interface.

ferrum ++

Decompressing and recompressing at a better rate.

mp3 is lossy

from what i've read and heard, if you mess up rockbox, just plug it back into itunes and the apple software takes over again

both vorbis and mp3 are LOSSY compression scheme

tw2113, make sure your mp3-ogg transcode has a higher-than-normal bitrate and it won't sound THAT bad

*schemes

i'm going with 192kbps

tw2113, e.g.: mpg321 foo.mp3 -w - | oggenc -b192 -o foo.ogg -

hello everyone
I have problem with the chcon command

We can guess the issue, but it'll take a while.

chcon -t httpd_sys_content_t svnaccess.conf
failed to change context of svnaccess.conf to system_u:object_r:httpd_sys_content_t: Invalid argument
lunitik, I think the syntax of the command is fine
lunitik, but I got that error

I'm just guessing but I think -t should be defined, it's input probably is not the file you're trying to change

is there a divx for linux ?

And the error would seem to agree.

how do you change to a directory with a name that has spaces in it, in command line?

One thing
forms are opening in read only

Kinda... there is divx support... install 'gstreamer-ffmpeg gstreamer-ugly gstreamer-bad' from Livna

any way to change that?

you might be interested in something like this: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ABX-Comparator+(script+for+amaroK)?content=21358

feared, yes. vlc and xine (from livna) play DivX.

use \ .... so '/path/to/File\ with\ spaces'

oh great he left
_

ok

lunitik, you mean I can't set the security context httpd_sys_content_t to a file?

tw2113, or enclose the filename in quotes

you can encapsulate the path in single quotes too
that seems easier to me most of the time

so either single quotes or escape characters

or double quotes

or be lazy and do "startofthingwithspaces*endofthing"

I don't use QT apps under Gnome, but looks interesting
I think if you're specifying a type, you should... specify the type...

lunitik, in the command, I specified the type is httpd_sys_content_t

That is a file... not a type

lunitik, httpd_sys_content_t is a type, I checked it in SELinix Policy Analysis

Hmm, so you're applying it to nothing...
nevermind, you are... I didn't see the space.

lunitik, so what cause the problem the?
then?

It should work like that, provided it knows what httpd_sys_content_t is... I'm assuming it's a default rule?

Guys, I found something rather strange about the graphical yum package manager.

yes, httpd_sys_content_t is an existing default type

trying to test the latest ATI/AMD r500 reverse engineered driver
on FC7
sorry F7

Like if the download fail because of missing dependencies, the package manager has to re-download the whole thing again.

try using absolute or relative path to svnaccess.conf ?

but the configure script is complaining about missing pciaccess
which when searching around is part of xorg...
I have the devel / sdk packages installed as well as most xorg packages
but this doesn't seem to be anywhere

Remember current directory isn't part of path....

anyone know where I might find pciaccess or libpciaccess for xorg in F7?

yum provides those_files?

no package I can find provides pciaccess anything

or yum search

yum list pci lists the pciutils

lunitik, absolute path have the same problem

it does
take wildcards, I mean

not familiar with using yum to search for provides
looking...

I just told you the command...
yum provides *pciaccess*

thanks

wildcards work, but if you do "yum search something*" and a file in that directory is named something-blah, it will resolve the wildcard to that filename

no matches found
this is odd, as I can see pciaccess in the git repo for xorg

has anyone running the ppc64 version of fc7 managed to get the sun jdk 1.5 to compile?

I came to the room late, what command and error are you getting? not that I can necessarily help, just curious

chcon -t httpd_sys_content_t svnaccess.conf
^^ tinh's command

fonts.scale;mkfontdir"?

you already had him check dmesg to see if the security change isn't being denied?

yeah, thanks lunitik but no matches and a locate pci doesn't turn up pci anything useful

I am trying to install a font

failed to change context of svnaccess.conf to system_u:object_r:httpd_sys_content_t: Invalid argument

but thanks for the provides syntax
I'm sure I'll use it again

Last two messages from me are to you.

k
thanks

digdug, here is the command chcon -t httpd_sys_content_t svnaccess.conf
failed to change context of svnaccess.conf to system_u:object_r:httpd_sys_content_t: Invalid argument

lunitik, do you know how to check that a security type exists?

never mind

because I get the same error if the type doesn't exist (chcon -t invalid_t file)

back
if anyone missed me, i'm touched
and by touched i mean the command line
must be wednesday

correct for ten minutes

darn technicalities
i'm central time, so i have 70 minutes

mkinitrd = 6.0.9-7. is needed by package kernel"
what should I do?
this is when i'm trying to do a yum update

Where can I find the default yum.conf?
for... FC6 I think

Ktron, download the rpm and extract the yum.conf

sorry to beat a dead horse, but has anyone managed to get the sun jdk 1.5 to compile on fc7 for ppc64 ?

Yeah, 'spose

I've googled with every term I can come up with, the closest I get is a ubuntu forum where they suggest using the ibm jdk

Second question, how can I tell what version of Fedora am I running?
(I didn't setup the server, someone else at work did)

cat /etc/redhat-release

Ktron, uname -r and look at the end
or that

Nice, thanks
FC4... heh, time to see if I can track down that rpm

I'm on a brand new (clean) install of fedora 7

hooray!

but when I try to yum update it has dependency issues

what issues?

I upgraded al packages but the kernel

upgrade?

when updating the kernel it says I need mkinitrd = 6.0.9-7.1
but that version isn't in the repos

sontek, I get that also. This was a new update that was pushed and is broken. Give it a bit and they'll fix it.

mine does too
i cant update

chowmeined, sure you can

how do I check free hdd space?

yum update --exclude=kernel*

df
df -h for humans

thx

hodges, df -h

df -h so it's human readable

except, i want to install xen kernel

chowmeined, then yeah, you'll have to wait a bit. (a day or two maybe)

539MB available

Is it believeable that an FC4 hasn't had any updates for... months?

Ktron, FC4 isn't supported.
no new updates, ever.

lol

ah ha
Heh, my workplace is spektakular
thanks everyone

how do I check the changelog of an rpm? Not the packaging changelog, but the code changelog?

Hello i have question i only see dvd files and my server only has cd-rom where can i find the cd rom iso's for fedora core 7

there aren't any

jaapblaatgaap2, that'd be the LiveCD

And the liveCd has everything ?

you can install from the livecd's

no, you install then through yum.
it has the base system.

it's (Changelog) sometimes included with the docs

only text?
or also gnome

jaapblaatgaap2, gnome or KDE depending on which livecd you choose

aah oke

otherwise you'd need the srpm or the original tarball

ah alright thanks

guess this is gnome ?
Fedora-7-Live-i686.iso

yes, that's gnome

aah great guys thanks alot

i like gnome

I'm considering switching to xfce

fair enough
i like GTK+

same, glade is awesome to develop with

i just end up using pygtk...

python has glade support, you know.

yea
but its so simple already, glade seems like overkill
i suppose if my projects were bigger...

it makes sense for sufficiently complex programs.
it also results in cleaner code, and is easier to edit / create :/

abstracting layouts from application logic is a good thing(tm)

it's nice to be able to create guis visually. I'm not yet at the level where I can do so through code
well, I could, just after lots of trial/error with packing.

stupid) question before I head out-- what version(s) of FC are supported? FC7 and... FC6?

FC6 will be EOL in a few months, F7 is supported.
F8 comes out October/December.

FC7 seems pretty alpha

how so?

Thanks ferrum for the answers

did fc5 eol already?

all of the sudden scsi drivers were missing for my controller
ubuntu, debian, centos have them just fine.. i dont know where they went

f7 is not alpha, it's been released

why doesn't the text install of f7 allow configuring lvm?

i dont think fedora's text installer ever has
although, i 'tricked' it into letting me manipulate LVM once by going forward and then back a few pages
but that was on FC6

any good virtualization program? or simulation? vmware is not free qemu is slow... another?

xen?

and is free?

yes, you install a special kernel from yum.

el_dan, You haven't done your homework

ok thanks

today i was doing a test presentaion, and i could not get my laptop to sync with the projector, the projector said the v and h sync freq were to high, i have used my laptop with a projector befor, how can i lower the rate for this projector

ammm

el_dan, BTW VMware server is free from VMware. It is not free as in open..

....

xen is excellent for virtualizing linux

ok, i just wanna run windows under linux, like in virtual pc, in order to eliminate windows partition, and im completely lost... ok let me try xen........

el_dan, http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ VIrtualisation on F7
el_dan, With Windows you need full virtualisation. That requires assistance from the CPU in Xen, or the use of KVM. I am reluctant to say this, but you may be better off using VMware server for now..

i kind of want to know why you hear the audio when you roll your cursor over audio files

feature
audio preview

use vmware, kvm is broken in f7 for windows installations

but xen was broken for windows installs
now xen is broken for linux installs

ferrum, fc7 may not be alpha... you're right, it has been released. so that means it's beta

do you still have to tweak the source of the vmware kernel module to compile it?

el_dan, I agree with mutk . vmware is painless, and stable. and pretty cool

bitchkat, not for FC6, which was the last time I tried it

chowmeined, i don't think so. i have tested windows , linux installs on xen. in fedora 7

then again I was running a custom kernel then..
"unsure"

and kvm is also not broken for windows installs on f7. can you tell the exact problem ?

yes, just install the any any patch

maybe i dont have enough rams

i have 1gb of physical memory

how can i change the refresh rate on the video port on my laptop,

comphappy, not sure.
is that handled by X?

server and not workstation right?

sontek, i've already done it because it compiles cleanly for me. I just couldn't remember if there was a vmware update that fixed it

after windows copies the files to the disks and reboots it can no longer read the cdrom or iso you are using and therefor cannot continue the install

sontek, yes that bug has been solved

and if you use file instead of device it gives you random errors when creating the disk, but it seems to work anyways

comphappy, xvidtune?

I'll have to check it out again

the projector i had it hooked up to said somthing like 120Hz v
and it did not support it

sontek, you will soon see the updated stuff in f7. i guess it has went to testing/ so far.

I for one blame the projector.

as do i
it is 5 years old

Hz is an X setting

interesting, xvidtune says 56Hz H and 60Hz V

good evening folks

yo

tag

What's up man?

orange80, cool, procrastinating from going to sleep
orange80, ... watching mythbusters

Oh, I like that show

orange80, yah, cool show

No TV in the same room as my computer tho

orange80, who says i have a tv?
orange80, tvcard + mythtv

I was just thinking I'd dl some ;-)

don't yet own a tv

he had you there

haha

pembo13_com, have you tried doing live tuning over eithernet?
pembo13_com, i want to stick my card in a server downstairs and tune live tv on my desktop..

daMaestro, no, but that sounds intersting, what is it?
daMaestro, oh
i thought that was some software
daMaestro, no, haven't tried that

pembo13_com, it's just using a remote myth frontend

daMaestro, i realise

i just refuse to do it because at this time i would need to enable at

daMaestro, haven't tried remote myth at all

maybe i'll poke at jrod to hook me up with a repo link

daMaestro, cool cool
daMaestro, one of the reasons i don't upgrade fedora on weekdays
daMaestro, gotta make sure i get tvcard and mythtv backup the same day

tv isn't worth the effort

tw2113, i almost agree with you, but i watch cnn, discovery and scifi

Yeah, plus it's impossible to start something like that and not finish it the same night ;-) which means you'll end up staying up till like 4 am and then have to work in 3 hrs.

tw2113, recently gave up on cartoonnetwork+adultswim
orange80, well i am normally confident enough in fedora to get things done in a day
orange80, typically i just end up spending ours putting a shine on my new KDE
orange80, my desktop doesn't have any special hardware

Cool. I'm always on OS X and just use my FC6/x86 box as a Java EE development environment, so I never really get to play with the graphical KDE or gnome interfaces.

orange80, ah, fair deal... had my share of OS X
orange80, it's nice, but i wouldn't want to live there

What's up with Mplayer, how come it lags so much now ?

i'm also having some strange issues with xv not running widescreen
chewed-on, i know there were some changes to the backend (new flags enabled)
chewed-on, using livna?

hmmm...apparently Linspire signed some deal with MS

link?

I respect using Linux or OS X, but not Windoze.

orange80, i use Windows, on it right now (on my laptop) i hate it but a guys gotta work

is nvu not in any common fedora repository? i can't seem to find it, thought it was there

orange80, i'm saving up for a Dell Ubuntu laptop

nvu is not available.

ferrum, not available in what way?

it's not in the repos.

oh, ok

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/06/14/780984-microsoft-signs-another-linux-deal

so install from nvu package?
i.e. non-repo

nvu isn't really worth it from what i've seen

yeah, you could try that.

tw2113, any recommendations instead?

tw2113, what do you use as a replacement for nvu?

but that's mainly cause i tried it on Mac

I'm not sure if it's not in the repos because (1) nobody's offered to maintain it, or (2) it just flat-out doesn't work

i tend to just like a text editor

hopefully (1)

i've used nvu a bunch, it's not perfect but it gets the job done for what i need atm anyway
it's pretty quick for some really basic layout stuff

mac + text crunch = not the best
i have bluefish on my tablet pc

i.e. for friends
bluefish is pretty good

i need to try it out

uses vim for everything

i've got a couple other minor things that i've wondered about...

Laurel, shoot

ok,
yum extender ... seems to have no icon now. very tiny thing
also on that note, anyone recommend pirut over yumex?

tw2113, i use text editors myself, but that's not a replacement for a WYSIWYG app

i find it hard to believe in any WYSIWYG

Laurel, i use niether, sorry

and... for some reason my gnome-xchat launcher isn't doing anything, neither is loading it from the fedora menus.. the icon is there, it's installed, not sure why it won't start

too much junk code

tw2113, i'm with you there

typing xchat made it work

Laurel, I recommend neither pirut nor yumex.

worst offender ever is Frontpage though

ferrum, you recommend yum, or something else entirely?

yes, just yum

i.e. cli
ah
well it's nice to browse with a gui
imho

I never got into this whole "gui" thing

to me gui's are useful, intuitive tools... they're not perfect, they don't always do everything, but they have their uses
it depends on what one is trying to accomplish, i suppose

they're just for people who are scared of text
at least, in this case.

tw2113, frontpage really messup html

my introduction to Linux was on the command line

i disagree... i like text, and i like cli, text editors, etc., but i also like guis

Laurel, for browsing, GUIs are nice

I'd never choose elinks over firefox, shall we say.

are you on emacs irc mode now?

pidgin

graphically is a good way to organize some kind of information, e.g. a fairly large, disparate set of frequently changing things, like the sort of stuff one uses a desktop for... there's a good reason (imho) that most people use a gui to run web, mail, office, im, etc., all at once

ferrum, pidgin on windows is nice, on linux, i use kopete
Laurel, good point

i like pidgin on linux & windows for im, never really tried it for irc

ferrum, does pidgin crash as much in linux?

It's never crashed.

pidgin on linux is pretty solid

ferrum, crashed about 4 times the first time i installed it on windows
ferrum, also seems to have some msn protocol issues
ferrum, good enough for me though

I just use aim and irc, so I wouldn't have noticed.
ah, and jabber. Nonetheless.

it's had some protocol issues, but it's improved a lot lately, it seems to me

there's always amsn for msn

Laurel, ah, so i'm not alone, cool

pembo...if you want to see a victim of frontpage, go here and view the source http://www.departments.dsu.edu/foundation/

pembo13_com, yeah

ferrum, gotta love the simplicity of AIM

tw2113, that's cruel and unusual punishment

tw2113, browsing there now

pembo13_com, through pidgin all protocols have the same interface. I don't know the difference.

frontpage massacred a lot of babies

(well I do, it just doesn't matter.)

tw2113, i've seen worse

.

ferrum, i like that

i love "watching" the constant improvement of open source software

i got to clear out a bunch of those pages today
i get to more tomorrow

pidgin, linux, any reasonably known oss project, seems to get noticeably and significantly better with each iteration

yo ho ho

maturity comes with more developers and users.

ferrum, did you notice new AIM bots?

shadow, did you just call me a ho ho?
:P

and since most of this is spread by word of mouth, the userbase should grow exponentially with time.
pembo13_com, what is an aim bot?
like an IRC bot, I guess

ferrum, some supposedly computerized AOL contacts that get added to ones AIM list

no. Usually I talk with humans.

ferrum, they add them self to the "AIM Bot" group

not on my buddylist!

interesting, wonder how comes i got it and you didn't

I registered years ago? not sure.

ferrum, yah, you can remove them, but they seem to just appear

brb

ferrum, i've been registered for a few years too

i'm going to bed
night all

do you recommend i use xchat or xchat-gnome?

xchat. and xchat-gnome if you are using gnome :d

fair enough

xchat
do not use xchat-gnome, even if you're using gnome.

why so ferrum?
why not?

xchat-gnome is another layer on top of xchat, and it takes out all of the features.

then what is the point of it?

its existence is a mistake, to say it nicely.

wow
okay lol

xchat aqua kind of sucks too, actually
the only thing that is okay about xchat aqua is that you don't need X
but I run X anyway, so whatever
in mac that is
ahh, virtualization. but what are you running inside?
sorry, wrong chan

lol

Hello.

yo

Could anyone please help me out with an SELinux Context trouble.
I am runnign kadmin of Kerberos and am being stopped by SE Enforcing. Access denied to words file.

sure. turn it off. prollem solved

aha, cynicism

I am hesistant to do that... Would like to keep security as well....
words file is in /usr/share/dict

selinux is a great idea, for sure

lordloh, ignore any suggestion to turn it off if this a public server

I only wish I had the time

lordloh, this is F7?

so its context is usr_t
Yes F7.

lordloh, 1. read the selinux tutorial in full at least once

I was half kidding. okay, maybe 1/4

hi im instaling F7 and the screen gets stuck on "installing SCSI drivers" i dont have any SCSI drives
why does it do this
is there anyway i can bypass this

is there a context to change to to allow everyone access to words file?
chcon something ?

lordloh, i can't tell you off hand, i have to take a refresher read in selinux myself, i think it's worth the time

anyone?
stil is hella annoying

Busta--, sorry, haven't tried f7 yet

ah
no problem

Busta--, all hard drives are now /dev/sdax

damn f7
i see

Busta--, have you tried textmode installtion

no

Busta--, how long have you waited? also, do you use sata ?

i should try that
ive been waiting for 20 mins

anyone know if i could figure out a way to integrate bash.org and fortune?

what does fedora use for package management and where can I get package repositories?

no sata

JakeConno1, RPM + yum

it should have passed this screen by now

JakeConno1,google for repos

"Loading pata_serverworks drivers"

Busta--, did it change?

nope

TheShadowZero, actually yeah, I already did that

im going to try to do text mode, brb

I'm thinking it doesn't like his ide controller
which shouldn't matter text vs. gui

TheShadowZero, are you here?

im here
sorry

could be there is an alternate kernel image to use?

yea, how did you do that?

http://rafb.net/p/NPdFTO15.html python script I wrote to download all bash quotes into a .xml file

_all_?
wow

yeah
it does so relatively quickly.

does it update?

you re-run the script to update.
I didn't ever run it more than once i
if you want updates, code it yourself! bah.

ferrum, what is 'fortune' ?

haha
thanks

pembo13_com, it's a program used by wanda, the fortune-telling fish.

ferrum, interesting

actually wanda uses ddate by default for some reason

TheShadowZero, I have an already-parsed file for you if you want

no its okay im downloading

it contains all postive-rated quotes
right, but now you need to convert from XML into the format you want

text mode, same thing

so would fortune automatically use these or will i have to move the file
ah

pata_serverworks
wtf is that

well id rather learn to do it myself
could you explain how?

ferrum, i wonder if there's a superkaramba applet for bash

pembo13_com, no idea. In fact I have no idea why I wrote that program to begin with :/

ferrum, pyhton encourages that kinda of uncessary coding

haha

can i use yum to go to 2.6.22?

ferrum, i've spent hours writing python apps that i've only used once or twice

jason357, no
jason357, not at the moment, anywya.

can anyone read polish
here

ferrum, its done downloading, whats the next step?

Busta--, no i
not i

how would i go about going to 2.6.22 without breaking everything

i think i found someone with the same problem but the response and question is in polish
=(

?

Busta--, post your question to the list

TheShadowZero, write a program to extract the quotes.

oookay well i am not a programmer

TheShadowZero, that's okay, python doesn't bite

or I could just give you the file
it's 3.7mb

TheShadowZero, spend a weekend with it, it'll treat you right

id have to use python to extract the quotes?
yea, id appreciate the file :P

TheShadowZero, yeah, an xml parser.

TheShadowZero, or perl, or php,, or C++

why on earth you would use any of those for parsing I don't know

ooh, ill learn C++ next year.

ferrum, i thought perl was nice for parsing

nobody here attends carnegie mellon, right? ;[

ferrum, nope

perl is not nice for anything. Have you looked at it?!

haha

functionally though parsing is its thing

ferrum, bash.org is kinda funny
ferrum, i'd combine that with seenonslash

now now, I don't have _that_ much time to waste.

hahaha

ferrum, yah.. .i'm adding that to my list of projects that i need to do
... it's a long list

firefox says the xml file is malformed lol
anyway, ferrum, the file?

peace to all gentlemen
and any ladies who stumbled in here by accident

lol

TheShadowZero, propose a way for me to get it to you

would it send over irc?

nope
ohhh
hold on

you cant send text files over irc? laaame

it's 3.7mb

i dont mean copy and paste
like, DCC
you could email it to me hmm

Here, I'm stealing the bandwidth of a company I did work for.
Hopefully no one will notice _

lol

wget http://www.grove-creek.com/images/bash_positive
let me know when it's done so I can delete.

its done
thanks

np

okay so now that i have the text
how does one form a .dat file with it

that is left as an exercise for you

alright

how do i configure the default ati drivers that fedora 6 has from clean install
i have tried the proprietary ati drivers before with no luck

okay that was easy enough

http://rafb.net/p/qm5pg371.html
that is what my xorg.conf looks like now

pata_serverworks-suspend-resume.patch
how do i updated my install cd with that patch

anyone already make an rpm w/ kernel 2.6.22-rc4for fedora 7?

can i disable pata_serverworks somehow

if not, i will just do it....

jason357, nope.

alright
going to bed

ok, i will do it
where is the kernel source rpm?

night

default from fedora 7
it isnt in th same place as fc6
ah, I found the SRPMs
nm

night

where do I post yumming updates issues?

CRASH69, no idea

https://bugzilla.redhat.com , but thx

hey guys, i was in here earlier
i'm having an issue with rebooting via SSH
i've tried using several commands, yet it refuses to reboot, instead, it hangs at the end of the shutdown process

JPDota, some remote filesystem can't be unmounted?

ferrum, im not sure what you mean, im only accessing it remotely

what is it hanging on?

it hangs after all the shutdown scripts run
it doesnt shut off
and then come back up

I'm not sure then, sorry ;_;
must sleep though. 3am here. night

night
thanks anyways
anybody?

huh, building this kernel is sorta a pain in the ass

why are you building it?
/who #linux
=(

i want the 2.6.66-rc4 kernel

haha bleeding edge enough?
does it have a particular feature you like?

wifi drivers require it

ah

No patch number 10 when i comment it out
how do i get it to ignore that?

i cant believe there are 265 linux users in here, and nobody is talking lol
hmm im going to fool around with my IRC client

there are 264

265 from 24 time zones ... need to consider those who sleep on their keyboards

haha
264 you say zodiac?
ah true kage, are you among those?

ChanServ is not a user but a system wide bot

good point
im getting frustrated with this problem

anyone know if there is something I need to do to my spec file to get rpmbuild to ignore Patch10?

can anyone help me set up my xorg.conf
http://rafb.net/p/CD6lVJ62.html
that is what i have
anyhelp would be greatly appreciated

are you having a problem tom?

system-config-display --reconfig

would you mind helping me figure out why my system wont reboot properly?

anyone know why just comenting out a patch in my spec file does not work? Why is it still lookinf ogr that pach number?
banyone know why just comenting out a patch in my spec file does not work? Why is it still lookinf ogr that pach number?/b

fedoraos.org

rafb.net/paste

*spec

are you asking me to read the rules, or look there for my answer?

still having problems with the video driver
the problem is that I have a 3d chess game that came with linux
and it runs super super super slow motion
i think it has to be the video drivers
any ideas?

are they installed?

just what came from a fresh install of fc6

what video card do you have

ati radeon x800 pro
http://rafb.net/p/6sNlEr65.html
that is my xorg.conf

didn't somebody say the ATi drivers don't work with FC7?

i'm using FC6

oh
then just download the drivers
one sec

k

http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html

do you think you could help me through the install process JPDOTa
?
i've tried proprietary before and always seem to fail

i can try, i don't have ATi drivers
yeah, i know what you mean

i'm asking you to learn how to ask a question .. and yes ati's drivers will not work with f7 until 8.38 in about 1 month
not fedoras fault .. ati's closed source binaries

yeah

well i've tried for about 3 months getting fc6 to work

3 months!

yeah
oh yeah
i'm also using amd 64 bit
should i dl different drivers than what you gave me?
3 sad long months

hmm yes

damn ati

well ive already tried various commands, shutdown -r -n, shutdown -r, reboot, even doing it from the GUI, it refuses to reboot properly, i've been on forums
gah

are you installing x86_64 fedora?

wrong thing

yes

why?

zodiac, because you need to reverse the polarity of /dev/null

i was FORMULATING that to you zodi

init 0

http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux64/linux64-radeon.html -- 64 bit

why not zodiac?

why do you need it?

i don't i guess, but i have a 64 bit processor and i that is the linux that i have

can you explain to me why you need x86_64 instead of x86 software on your computer?
i'd suggest you try the x86 version

because i have x86_64 version of fc installed

i bet you'll have less troubles

maybe so
but what i have installed now i'll try to get working

http://rafb.net/p/h4CZBm44.html

The display driver requires POSIX shared memory to be enabled on the system.
it says i need that before trying to install
any ideas?

what do i need to do to enable power management? all i seem to be able to find is laptop battery which doesn't do me much good since this isn't a laptop and doesn't run on a battery.

line 505

No patch number 10", so something is telling it to look for patch10, which i need to stop, i just do not know what is telling it to look for patch 10
zodiac, I comment out line 505 and get the same error
No patch number 10

fc6? f7? .. if fc6 , have you tried kmod-fglrx from rpm.livna.org ?? ... if f7, theres no ATi driver that compatible with the latest Xorg yet

if i run init 0, that brings the system down, should i put that somewhere in the reboot script?

sorry .. 1054 too

just saw that also
thank you
trying now

i'm not really sure what you're doing .. reboot, shutdown -r now .. should reboot the system
init 0 is a system halt

yes, sorry, i am trying to reboot the system, from command line (via SSH)

ok .. then the reboot script or shutdown -r now
as root of course

i've tried both
they hang after the shutdown scripts run
im running FC7 on a dell poweredge 6450

what repos do you have enabled?

the standard ones
i just upgraded from FC6 today
through yum
it was a problem in FC6 as well

well .. that could be part of the trouble

f7 .. too many changes

true, but it was a problem before that too, in FC5, FC6

does running "yum update" give you an error?

those were clean installs
no
everything is up to date

could be a dell specific thing in the bios .. not sure
check /var/log/messages*
see if there are any clues there

alright, im going to take this laptop mobile...haha need to do a hard reboot to get that server up again

zodiac. how do i check what kernels/kernel headers i have installed?

rpm -qa|grep -i 'kernel'

even without quotes

im back

hey

thanks

got anything to work?

hello!
can anybody help? Got into trouble with compiz and now my windows lack of the O, X and []

nope still trouble shooting

I cant even move or resize my windows

http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2006-March/025258.html
judging from this, it may be an old error that was never fixed

can anybody help me restore my windows? I tried uninstalling compiz but it doesn't work
no window frames...

an Nvidia Card?

yes

welcome to the new world, a world of hurt, pain and suffering
I've only managed to get it back once

lol

i see what you mean..

and I had to twiddle with settings to get metacity back

that sucks

yes, so it seems i will have to figure out this IPMI thing

well, I think that disabling desktop effects would do the trick... I only need to do it by hand

IPMI?

that's what they cite in the mailing list as the workaround

does anybody know how to disable destkop-efects by hand?

ah. good luck

thanks

i don't know but i'd guess it's either in gconf settings somewhere or maybe a config file in your home dir (as the effects can be switched on/off per user)

I already deleted .gconf .gconfd .gnome and .gnome2

should i somehow contribute this rpm when i get it working to save others the trouble?

as in deleted the directories?

yes sir

uh oh

no real problem, you just reset your config... like reseting your user account
still, this didn't resolve my problems

what happens when you restart X (ctrl-alt-break)

then maybe it's some kind of application hook that didn't go out right. did/can you try to re-enable compiz?

nothing... normal login window and then, when I login as renich, no window frames
ok, I'll try that... I'll have to log out since I can't focus on another window
brb

I do know that it's an issue with the Nvidia drivers

Ok, reinstalling compiz solved my problem

i may have found another work around on wikipedia, of all places, but i cant really understand what the article is talking about

once you do compiz-ish stuff, you lose your window decorator

mind taking a look?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_PowerEdge#Linux_reboot_issue

..reading

interesting.what happens now when you enable compiz now?

appreciate it

so, I lost the frames while enabling compiz and got them back by uninstalling and reinstalling compiz
let me check it out

heh

something similar happened on my girlfriend's laptop when i put fc6 on it for her
we enabled compiz, and then played stepmania for a while. stepmania was a cvs snapshot version, so when it crashed compiz bugged out and performed very much similar to what Renich now experienced
so i'd guess it's maybe graphics hook somewhere around XGL or something, because her entire desktop became background-only upon login, no toolbars nothing

i'd say don't use desktop effects when playing fullscreen games or movies .. #1 not needed at that time #2 using resources that are best left unused or used elsewhere

it seems you were right, it is a dell problem
unfortunately, i have the latest BIOS

k, that just explains what you could call a hardware bypass. guess i could describe it as instead of using a system call to initiate an action linux modifies something in the bios to which the bios automatically reacts
but what i can unfortunately not say is how to use it sorry

thanks for trying haha maybe someone in here understands?

ok, complete PC freeze

zodiac, perhaps you understand what i need to do, because neither frozty_sa nor i know exactly what it means? we are referencing this wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_PowerEdge#Linux_reboot_issue

does anyone know why i get this error when trying to aticonfig " segmentation fault"

f7?
see all later

alright im going to head out

Error: Missing Dependency: mkinitrd = 6.0.9-7.1 is needed by package kernel

--Please set correct fontPath in the vncserver script. I am trying to configure vncserver
../etc/sysconfig/vncserver script I checked there is not such fonth path mention

bad deps
that version of mkinitrd hasn't made it out of testing

then why did they release kernel update

Hello!

Because they messed up, it happens, my bet is on 9-10 hours until the start of a fix.

I have a problem in install fedora!

You could always go slumming in testing

Can some give me one very good root passwd to me ? i can't think any at the moment

pwgen

pwgen ?

in "extras", though pwgen is an easy password to remember as well

i don't want a software for it , just name it to me
what is your root passwd ? ;p

Anduin makes a great password, I use it.

i don't get u

I install Fedora 7 and chosen xfce4 to my desktop,so i not chosen gnome,but when i finish install,gnome is still be installed!what will i do?
I have a problem in install fedora!
I install Fedora 7 and chosen xfce4 to my desktop,so i not chosen gnome,but when i finish install,gnome is still be installed!what will i do?

is the first cd in the F7 usable for network install?

glxinfo | grep direct
extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
No
Mesa GLX Indirect
can someone help with this issue please?

nevermnd, i found a nice big link in fedoraproject.org saying Network Install
your driver don't support it

is there a way to enable it?

are you sure your card supports it?
for Nvidia and ATI, i managed to get direct only with the proprietary drivers

hmm
i can't get proprietary drivers to work

what card do you have?

did anybody know about adobe's yum repo?

no
where is it?

can I only install xfce4 and not install gnome?

what do you mean?
"ofcourse not"

is xfce4 depends on gnome?

check the third option at: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
a href="http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash"http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash/a

is there anybody out there?

Hi
Exist a way to install an rpm from net.. for example: #rpm -i http://.....
?

rpm -Uvh http://....file.rpm

w00t .. adobe provides yum repo

moin guys
nice! where?

check the third option at: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash

16 hours since filed bug report and nothing happened yet *sniff*

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