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Just discovered `package-cleanup --problems` - oh the joy...

well, I was a happy intel user... but now... I have amd... and I really like it... besides, intel is far superior commercially... this makes, IMHO, amd to look for alternative ways of pleasing clients... one could be contributing to FLOSS projects...

Ok, I think there's definitely a bug in yumex, anyone know where I'd report it?

bugzilla.redhat.com
look for it first

Ok, so I should report it as a fedora-extras bug, thanks. I'll do a few searches first.

sure
check this out: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=156985
I'm gonna read some C++ book... I'll catch you guys latter
adios!

bye

so if installation is broken in f7 can i take that to mean a lot of other crap is as wel ?

didn't your mom teach you not to think negatively?

is there a way to make sure that an .iso file is valid? i keep having troubles burning images.

good night

/bin/mv: Argument list too long"

searching for things like "verify iso" keeps turning up ISO standard stuff.

more likely it's the disc which fails to burn properly then anything else

howd you download it

there shouldn't be a lot of difference between the processors. AMD designed a new 64-bit processor and tweaked it to support linux well. Intel are just a clone manufacturer. Although intel haven't yet worked out that an iommu would be useful, so AMD _systems_ are probably a better bet.
use xargs

caffine but, yeh, there's an md5 checksum

i have almost 20 discs now that are two different brands.

caffine, how did you download the iso

caffine roflmao

no. Far more people use the actual system than the installer.

waha: these are isos that i made myself (using linux). i don't have an md5

oic.

dwww2 ok, looking into xargs. never used it before

don't you have another computer nearby? Just do a network install. CDs are just too unreliable

100% of people who use fedora 7 had to install it

cds are perfectly reliable .

caffine oh, well, that's over my head

these are data CDs. i have F7 already on here.

yeah. Just like floppies

oh, i see caffine. data cd's. ah. what software, by the way?

k3b.

yes. a reasonably resiliant optical storage method is as unreliable as a flimsy-by-name magnetic storage device

ah.

how do you take an ISO and extract all the files to a usb drive ?

mount -oro,loop foo.iso /mnt/wherever

i don't know of a direct way, but you can mount the iso and copy the files: mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /mnt/iso

find . -name "*.foo" | xargs grep bar but I want to get all the files matching *foo in the current directory moved to /lotsaFiles

mount point /mnt/iso does not exist. sorry i am inexperienced

mkdir /mnt/iso

df and fd I always get them mixed up, but both are good to use
pardon maelstrom, df and du come in handy.
df will show what's mounted, and so forth

very helpful. i think i've got it going now, i'll try installing off my external hard drive

mount will also show whats mounted^_^

good one, waha. didn't know that
find . -name "*.foo" | xargs mv /home/thufir/bar/ will move all files ending foo to the bar directory?

set up a folder and test it

I don't want to screw things up, hence the question.

set up a temporary folder and see what happens

it won't delete any files, or anything? ok....

hi. when o watch any videos in firefox i don't hear any sound. what can be wrong?

uh
make sure the folders referenced are local to the directory and not system-wide

ok. thanks waha. crossing fingers

maybe you should use cp instead of mv?

frozty_sa, what kind of video?
a flash video? mpeg? wmv?

well, i tried just now on youtube to look at something

so the files are still where they were, should anything go wrong, then run the command again and rm them

alex[slx] thinks well
frozty_sa, that'd be a flash video

so i just need to update my flash plugin?

i made flash videos work by downloading flashplayer 9 from adobe's site and installing it
not from yum/other repos

thanks, i'll try that

alex[slx] too many files, cp chokes! anyhow, xargs gives an error: xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option
how to copy many files uxing xargs, please?
what comes after the pipe, pls, to move the (many) files? find . -name "*.foo" |

you could try using the exec feature

of xargs? ok. I'll look into it, thanks

then you'd be moving each file individually because it runs the command for each file it finds
nah. it's in find. "find --exec". it executes the command you give it for every file found

I have a freshly formatted partition as /dev/hda4 9.89GB. Can anyone tell me how to set it up so it will mount automatically everytime I boot FC6.

yers

what partition type is it? ext3?

as root edit the file /etc/fstab

Yessir, ext3.

copy one of the entries and change the values as appropriate,
if u get stuck try man fstab

then do as waha also just said
too quick for me

thanks, frozty_sa checking it out

thank you
both

no problem
...i really should be studying...

frotty_sa no, don't study. at least not until I move these files around

lol! don't worry, i'll hang around

that's my man

Where do I want my partition /dev/hda4 to mount?

any place you like. though, for what do you want to use it?

wheres it mounted now?

it's not
The only file system I can see is the root.

choose somewhere

[thufir@localhost ~]$ find . -name "*.jpg" --exec mv /home/thufir/Desktop/images/
invalid predicate `--exec'

orange80, By convention, in a dir within /mnt is a good place.

/mnt/drivename is traditional

What's the standard place?
So do I just create a directory inside of mnt?

waha, And I concur
orange80, Yes

sorry, it's only -exec not --exec..i forgot find makes funny
but also hang on quickly

Ok, I made a directory called extra inside of mnt.

it's gonna swear at you again..use -exec "mv {} /home/thufir/Desktop/images/"\;
then in /etc/fstab you specify it to mount to /mnt/extra

What should my columns be in fstab. I'm trying to understand the man pages, but I'm not really grasping.
Which column?

hang on, i'll give you a sample now

Ok, thanks .

/dev/hda4 /mnt/extra ext3 defaults 0 0

ok.. wow.. i must just be stupid.. i just *now* found out that the scroll wheel works in vim
bok.. wow.. i must just be stupid.. i just *now* found out that the scroll wheel works in vim/b

lul

don't worry...i only figured out last week that using a terminal in gnome (not tested kde yet) and then "less ./file" scrolls it......

Ok, great. I was really getting confused on which was which between the first and second column.
Is there a way to mount it up now without rebooting?

frozty_sa, there is also "more"
;-)

as root, type "mount -a" or "mount /dev/hda4"

I think that works in pretty much any terminal, even OS X.

[thufir@localhost ~]$ find . -name "*.jpg" -exec "mv {} /home/thufir/Desktop/images/"\;
missing argument to `-exec'

daMaestro, vim? no. gvim, yeah

I use it in OS X all the time.

zcat, vim.. yes
zcat, really.. it does work!
;-)

hang on, i'll check quickly

daMaestro, oh, it works in gnome-terminal but not in konsole. good thing the mouse is offlimits anyway

Hey, that worked great! Thanks man!
Thanks mutk and waha too :-D

skay
you asked one of the four questions i could have answered

zcat, ah.. still.. surprised the shit outa me

Lol, I'm the same way in ##java. If somebody does answer one of the few questions I can answer, I try to be all over it, since I have probably asked about 8,000 questions in there.

it might bite at you over permissions though

on mnt?

no itll be fine
ive mounted ntfs exactly like that and its fine.

It looks fine right now. I can access it as a regular, non-root user, so I'd say it's all good .
bIt looks fine right now. I can access it as a regular, non-root user, so I'd say it's all good ./b

doesn't ext3 sometimes bite at you depending on where you mount it? or would that just have been some stupid mistake on my part?
change the -exec to -execdir

roflmao ok. thanks. will do

frozty_sa permission problems would be with how you've got the files/folders set up already,

hi all, where can I change keyboard behavior? I'd like (among other things), the windows key to open the kde start menu

Oh yeah, I did have to chg the permissions of the mnt folder, but it's all good now.

like if directories are 700 for root only root
can use

ugh..hang on..

[thufir@localhost ~]$ find . -name "*.jpg" -execdir "mv {} /home/thufir/Desktop/images/"\;
missing argument to `-execdir'

hey guys
What audio player is capable of playing music through UPNP?

got it!! just make it mv {} /home/thufir/Desktop/images \;
without the ""

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=340844 agrees with you

sorry it took so long. i had the problem the other day and it took me a while to get it figured out
go to your DE's shortcut settings

DE?

roflmao. wow, that was a good one. thanks so much frozty

i know in gnome you cant bind the Super key to anything
it doesnt work :/

desktop environent

there's also a way to do that with xorgs, which looks intriguing

ta

...there is a way...though it's a bit messy

if a sata controller is detected by lspci then what else could be stopping me from being able to access the drives attached to it?

i've done it at some stage..but i can't remember how. what i do remember though is that i couldn't bind anything "super"+"n" for nautilus or such..

yeah
which is a disappointment
would be so sweet to have another combo key

yes. i think what i did was change the behaviour of the super/meta key

im gonna ask my original question again in the hopes that new people here in the room will read and know about it
does anyone else use fc7 and nvidia drivers and have issues with updated xorg?

what issues?

i installed xorg 1.3.0.0-8.fc7 cause updates told me to, and it looks like its messed with my nvidia drivers - desktop effects are borked now and trying to enable beryl results in x crashing. can i revert to an older xorg version?

erm...i saw a "allowdowngrade" yum plugin in someone's yum output the other day. i'd guess that it could help you?
i don't know yum syntax fully yet but i think you can specify an absolute version..

waha, did you reboot? (sometimes you have to "rmmod nvidia && modprobe nvidia")

frozty, it seems to giving alot of blah and blah are the same file. this is normal?

hm. didnt touch the module
the nvidia splash screen still shows on boot
does that rule out that possibility then?

only if the filenames are the same...erm, you're gonna have to use mv with a recursive option to reconstruct the folder structure

lspci shows a recognised sata controller but hte drives attached to it are not accessible?

how are they not accesible?

frozty_sa, allowdowngrade could be helpful... few questions: where would i get the plugin? how do i install it? and what do i have to do on the command line to get an older verson of xorg, just specify which version i want?

fdisk -l /dev/sdX where X is the drive letter does not show them, and dmesg | grep ^sd doesn't show them either

what kind of SATA controller do you have?

Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE614x SATA II PCI-E controller (rev 01)

sorry, you're gonna have to google that

frozty_sa, thanks for suggesting it

it's the secondary controller, the drives attached to the primary nvidia controller are working fine.
i specifically installed fedora because the live cd showed all the hardware as not unsupported, so it's a bit frustrating to have this problem now

as not supported?

no, as not unsupported - that is, no devices were shown as unsupported.

oh sorry

double negative

i'm not awake yet, it seems

do they show up if you manually modprobe ahci ?

Anyone here know about how Counterstrike works with FC7?

im not sure what you mean? do i need to enter command "modprobe ahci" ?

sorry, modprobe sata_mv

sorry im not really famiiliar with loading kernel modules

su -

ok i've run that command, but fdisk still doesn't show the drives
yes am as root

and then just use modprobe module

it looks like that specific chipset isn't supported yet

how did you find that out? i thought if it is shown my lspci as not unsupported it should "just work" ?
just like all the other components that seem to be working fine

uh, no lspci just lists PCI devices

yes i understand, but when for example i tried that command in centos 5 it specifically showed that sata controller as "unsupported"

I looked up the PCI ID that cooresponded to the entry that you pasted, and then looked grepped the source of the SATA drivers for that ID

as in, it said that on the line

?

i had centos installed on the same box, and when i ran lspci under an older kernel with that distro it showed "[unsupported]" on that lspci line showing that sata controller

that didn't mean what you thought it meant

ok
hrrm, ok.
so i guess i'l just go buy a cheap PCI-Express x1 SATA controller then :P otherwise i have 2 500 GB drives i cant use!
then perhaps sometime down the track real support for this controller will be added and suddenly i'll have 4 more sata ports i can use
out of interest can you explain where you "looked up the PCI ID" ?
0.0

the same place that lspci looks for it, /usr/share/hwdata/pci.ids
0.0 is the bus:slot.function

so what string exactly did you look for in that pci.ids file?

88SE614x

ok, but my pci.ids file shows that file contains that string a few times - how do you determine thereafter that it is not supported yet?
sorry if these questions are stupid i just want to understand for future reference :p

I looked at the PCI IDs that matched up with those strings
and then I went looking in the kernel source
if you look at sata_mv.c, you'll see a bunch of lines like: { PCI_VDEVICE(MARVELL, 0x5040), chip_504x } and neither 11ab or 6141 are listed

You can use modinfo to see the device IDs a module supports directly.

ok thanks

I wasn't interested in what the kernel supports now, I was interested in what support will be present in future releases (obviously, it's not working now)

this motherboard is relatively old guess i'll have to just wait till it is supported and use a seperate controller in the meantime.
this motherboard is relatively old guess i'll have to just wait till it is supported and use a seperate controller in the meantime.
apparently these are well supported

Does cedega or wine perform better for gaming under fedora?

hi. is there any one-liner shell script i can use so that all files created in one directory are automatically copied to another?

none

what do you mean?

after several nights and many ineffective efforts i've concluded that fedora 7's installer is too buggy and was evidently released in haste

there's not really any way to know when a piece of hardware will be supported in future is there? it's basically hope that someone develops a driver or learn to do it yourself, is that right?

hellà

pretty much

hello ^^ do you use Squid as proxy cache?

well from what i can tell this controller isn't all that common so i might be waiting a while.
ohwell

i am burning kubuntu 7.04 now and if it installs properly, i will continue with it and not look back. if it, like f7, cannot proceed past step 3, then i will conclude i have some sort of hardware problem and give f7 another try

good thing i have some other PCI-X controllers lying around i can use.

maelstrom what problem were you having with fc7 installer

Anyone knows of a multimedia player (well, music atleast) that is capable of supporting mp3 through a plugin and is also capable of streaming music from a UPNP MediaServer?

first of all the livecds do not boot for me, i get weird errors, and then using the minimal boot cd and after booting into the installer, selecting language, selecting keyboard layout, it asks me where i want to install from, i select CD (duh) and it tells me the disc in the drive is not a fedora cd even though it's been using that same disc since bootup to run the installer

fuwex, i don't know but i guess vlc

Ok
It's not optimal for music playback though to be honest
What package contains g++? I thought gcc?

maelstrom, the small boot/rescue cd's aren't installation sources. of course you can't choose them when askmethod asks where to install from. duh.

good point. but also the network option is broken

gcc-c++

ok, thanks DrNick

it tells you to enter a host and directory, but it appends an extra slash
to the host

and thats 'broken' to you?

say I want to install from "ftp://server.com/linux/fedora/7/i386" ... i will enter "server.com" and "linux/fedora/7/i386" and it will put them together with two slashes to form "ftp://server.com//linux/fedora/7/i386/"

maelstrom, you're doing something wrong. lots of people do netinstalls just fine.

laters, n stuff

I'm trying to install scons from yum but it tells me that "Package scons-0.97-2.fc7.noarch.rpm is not signed"

oh i forgot
i get that same error when i use the full dvd
so even though i'm dumb for not knowing what the minimal boot cd is for, the installer is still multi-broken

ftp://server.com//linux/fedora/7/i386 nothing wrong with this ... the extra slash will simply be ignored ... try typing it in browser ..

Hey, how would Fedora 7 do as a PVR? I'm thinking of setting up a computer of some spare parts I have and install MythTV on it to see how well it works (I should have a TV Card lying around)
Or am I better off using another distro for it?

iirc , freshrpms provides MythTV rpms

ATrpms too

en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Fedora -- this does not go to the fedora article, it is apparently 404'd back to the wikipedia home page

is that hte only error?

Yes.

and what does "rpm -q scons" return?

package scons is not installed

http://download.fedora.redhat.com///pub/fedora/linux/releases/7/Everything/i386/os/ .. its went to the correct place ..

is this on 6 or 7?

wikis usually have some url manipulation script .. they act differently ..

thanks for your help DrNick

7

except you just made me spend money on another sata controller

How do I typically "unconfigure" an application that has been configured (well, ./configure )

reconfigure

What do you mean by "unconfigure"?

or delete config.status, i guess

or make distclean

I get the same error, it probably means the RPM wasn't signed with a key when it was installed. you can force and install by editing your /etc/yum.conf and changing the GPGcheck from 1 to 0

as in, delete the files that was copied and all that
or, wait
no, never mind

ok i'll give f7 installer its last chance, this time using the network boot properly

.2.10-9.fc6 set to be

.2.10-7 is needed by package

Do I have to do anything else? Just editing the file didn't work.

does that mean that libpng-devel should have been updated/recompiled or something like that?

sorry, my bad. you'll need to edit the /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo and disable gpg check there too
oh poo, gotta run
gl gotaku

how do I recover from that? (i.e get everything else but that installed?)

hi all
any news on a xen nvidia driver for 7?

SlaSheR84, http://kwizart.free.fr/fedora/testing/7/i386/kmod-nvidia-xen-100.14.09-1.2.6.20_2925.9.fc7.i686.rpm

64 bit sry forgot to mention

but you should take care for this version because it may not work ( i suppose some new acpid that need to be desactivated!)
http://kwizart.free.fr/fedora/testing/7/SRPMS/nvidia-kmod-100.14.09-1.2.6.20_2925.9.fc7.src.rpm

hello! how do i compress folder to a zip file? (tar.bz or whatever)
tar.gz i meant..

How do I find out where a package installs specific files? (I'm trying to figure out where the package from atrpms installed the database hosting folder of MythTV)

hmm, must've been disconnected or something

rpm -ql packagename

thanks
What's the default password for the root user for php mysql hosting again?

no password rite?

might be - mythtv isn't able to connect to the database though

mysql -u root .. check whether permission denied or not .. if permission denied .. guess you should try resetting the password ... iirc , by default mysqld doesnt have any password

yeah, I get in without a password

SlaSheR84, http://kwizart.free.fr/fedora/testing/7/x86_64/kmod-nvidia-xen-100.14.09-1.2.6.20_2925.9.fc7.x86_64.rpm

guess mythtv kinda required you to have a password though as it doesn't accept a blank password field
requires*

wow you read my mind

maybe

- as there may be some problem with 100.14.09 (and also xen support) i appreciate if you can give me some feedback with it!

sure

how do I change my kernel to a non xen one?

i dont mind being guinee pig

OK, I am strumped. I have a f7 desktop installation. everything is fine, except one user has no sound. How does that happen, and what do I do about it ?

checkers, yum install kernel

anyone ?

bbs!

hey guys
anyone knows about an acpi/haldaemon bug in fc7?
if the haldaemon fails to listen to the acpi kernel interface, would that be a kernel issue or a haldaemon issue?

wheres the default $PATH setting is stored?? ..

in your shell configuration files.

hi
please

do not edit system configuration files. Edit your own.

I'm trying to create mp3 files from wav, I got a blank file

you'll have to do a better description of your problem to get help.

converting wav to mp3 give an empty file

i know ... i just want to remove /usr/local/bin from the default system path ..

use lame

you shouldnt.

...

/usr/local is meant to be system-wide.

whats wrong?

I convert ogg to wav then wav to mp3 using oggdec and lame
now oggdec converts ogg to an empty wav file

posterdat why dont u use grip and select which format u want

you shouldnt do that. You'll lose quality. Have you read the oggdec man page ?

any other solution so that i can make all other python apps to use /usr/bin/python .. and only zope will use /usr/local/bin/python without reinstall/recompile zope

u could use flac

grip only rip+encode from CDs. Not from file to file.
hooo you shoulndt have installed another python in /usr/local

use lame

this is dirtyness in all its glory

sorry posterdati use lame

lame only from wav to mp3

lame wont take ogg as input.

haha ... any other path suggestions ?

srry i thaught u was just converting from wav

flac won't convert wav to mp3 or ogg to wav

Yeah. Whatever directory which is not in users path. And if you want an advice, just dont.

anyone using livna's nvidia drivers for fc6 x86_64? the latest ones seem to require "kernel-x86_64", which does not exist in any repos i'mn aware of. what's going on?

so what shall I use to convert ogg to mp3?

has readahead been vastly improved in F7? Desktop usage in general seems so much faster and smoother.

windows xp
there will be something around

kernel-x86_64 exists indeed.

why do u need to cover all formats?

really? as of recently?

as it has always existed.
ask yum.

i did, it gives no hits ... have to look into my repo files i guess

i suggest you read the man yum.

a 'yum search' isn't enough?

nope. It's not what you're looking for.

ooh, yum provides

what is the yum installable kernel release right now?

for which fedora release ?

I'm using sox to convert ogg to wav

i dont do such things. I dont know.

f7

my portable mp3 reader reads only mp3 files

e_ :2.6.21-1.3194.fc7

yum install audacity-nonfree .. get it from livna

thanks

i dont think his *portable* mp3 player will accept audacious plugins.

audacity != audacious

hi all, in my default f7 install, it's using the xen kernel, and also has the default kernel installed. how do I use the default kernel instead and uninstall all xen stuff?

ha, nevermind.

checkers, rpm -e

checkers, because you tried to install everything

checkers, yum remove \*xen\*, verify what you delete before you confirm

zcat, because I thought you have to tick the box marked 'virtualisation' to get KVM _
kanarip, so it will fall back to the normal kernel by itself?

kinda
you need to reboot so it doesn't exactly fallback automagically

close enough
cheers

i'm not yet drinking anything, but cheers

may be a silly question, but is there a (populated) shell scripting channel?

#bash ? I dont know..
depends of the language you want to script in, i would say.

just bash. maybe need a little awk

prolly anything like #linux would help...

interesting - #bash automatically sets +o

hehe

hi friends
i was wondering how you, after su as root, can unexport the things from previous user, like http_proxy

did you try su - ?

just tried
hopefully that works
but i cannot tell
nothlit, it is still using proxy

maybe it's a system default then?

newp

turns out the problem was that our mirror was obsolete due to it having failed to update for a while, d'oh

what packages do I need to play DVD's?
VCD's rather
I've installed pretty much everything XINE and Kaffeine still crashes when I try to play a VCD

alex[slx], you should check out fedorasolved

uah, this haldaemon really drives me crazy..

I'm looking, under multimedia, but I see nothing

give me a sec

cheers man

http://www.fedorafaq.org/#dvd

finally got f7 installed =D

Nice

has fedorasolved removed there dvd howto?

i had a scare, after beginning to install packages it said one of them was corrupted ... my choices were to retry or reboot, with the warning that my system was probably in a corrupt state and would require reinstallation ... and no amount of retrying would change anything

that doesn't help me... I have all those packages, and I don't want to use Totem

luckily i knew the exact URL for another mirror off the top of my head so I rebooted and used that one

i need help with F7, when i try the alt+tab when mplayer is running to switch on and off mplayer and other windows , it closes the session

now i just have to write an angry letter to my university for hosting a corrupted fedora mirror

alex[slx], what packages do you have?

it only happens with mplayer , it doesn`t happen with any other programs :|

in the new KDE what is the box beside the icon in the title bar ?

xine xine-lib xine-lib-extras xine-lib-extras-nonfree libdvdcc libdvdnav

alex[slx], have you tried installing them?

"RuntimeError: Bad magic number in .pyc file" wtf??

I already have them?

alex[slx], What version of fedora are you running?

7

how did you set up yum?

how can i uninstall install mplayer ?

ummm... what do you mean? what repos?

yes

default ones
and livna
I just put a DVD in and it plays fine

get the livna release rpm and install it

hmm, looks like the F7 installer did not upgrade yum. it still had the fc6 version installed. removing the old yumex and installing the new one fixed it

already have

shouldn't that be kind of a thing that the installer doesn't mess up, is the updater ?

well it looks like you solved your problem, enjoy

no, I can't play VCDs

BuRneR`, yum remove mplayer

thanks kwizart
but are you familliar with my problem ? stated earlier ?

BuRneR`, then reinstall it by yum install mplayer (a new livna mplayer version will came soon ...)

what options are highlighted in the bottom edge of xine-gui?

ok
thanks

me?

vcd should be one of them

for your problem i suppose you mess thing of installed some third part pacakges...

hmm ... did f7 come with livna enabled by default ?

can you do yum list extras ?

alex[slx], what options are highlighted in the bottom edge of xine-gui?

ok, one second

none are hilighted, but VCD is there

omg, i so hope the fedora guys get to integrate initng asap with selinux..

give me asec

that thing is so freakin fast

I get errors like this (from dmesg), end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 2072

alex[slx], do you have more than one vcd?
try another one

have been

alex[slx], try this yum -y install xine xine-lib xine-skins xine-lib-extras-nonfree libdvdcss

just says Nothing to do

alex[slx], #2 FAQ: "nothing to do?" A: When yum reports "nothing to do" what it's really saying is that the "package may already be installed" (or it doesn't exist), so there's nothing for it to do. (ask directly: rpm -q package).

I've already got it all
thanks

alex[slx], try removing xine and reinstalling it yum erase xine and then yum -y install xine xine-lib xine-skins xine-lib-extras-nonfree libdvdcss

it's just reinstalling xine

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