Last night I removed FC6 and installed F7 After that I booted into it and logged in using gnome Today I booted

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Found my box frozen this morning ie no login when I hit a key Caps and scrollock were blinking both Whats it and

my f7 install will not detect both hard drives. I wish to use softraid and lvm. Intel D945GCC motherboard, no fake raid, disks have been initialized. Anaconda will only show first device as mapper/mpath0. knoppix will show both devices

Hey y'all - in FC7, when I'm firing up K3b, I'm getting errors for cdrecord and cdrdao (permissions) - I recall having to deal with this long ago, but can't remember how it was done...suggestions?

Try the version in updates-testing.

Ha - Google helps....(not enough coffee for the day to start yet)

hello
i keep getting selinux messages even though it's supposed to be disabled. what could be causing this?

Uh, it's not disabled?

permissive mode (I think) means it's logged but not enforced
see the selinux faq

Can someone tell me how to fake my MAC address? I have a static ip to my Fedora MAC, but I need to put a router on that static ip hosting with my MAC. But that means I need to change my PC's MAC so it doesn't mess up my router.

iptables black magic. I will know no further than that, sorry.

No, it means you need to actually describe what it is that you think you're trying to do, and who you're trying to fool.

system default enforcing mode is disabled

So it's not enforcing. That's not nearly the same thing as "disabled".

where do i disable this noxious thing?

Why?

mwilson, because you need to reverse the polarity of /dev/null

does F7 come with ntfs-3g?

Why do so many people have so much trouble with selinux?

Read /usr/share/docs/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt .

Idid just describe what I'm doing. I'm replacing my PC's static hosting IP with a router, so that I can have access to 4 number crunchers on the same subnet instead of having to walk over to their KVM terminal.

i just want it off. it tells me things i don't care to decipher :P

Thanks ivazquez
If I set the MAC to something different than the hardware's actual MAC, will it still work?

anyone know off the top of their head how I'd use locate to search for iso files? meaning I only want stuff that ends with iso, not stuff like poison or whatever.

You should be able to override it. Let me check real quick...

locate iso | grep iso$

Or just "locate *iso", like the man page says.

thanks

MACADDR

so back to my earlier question, how do expunge this PoS SELinux from my system?

Amazingly, that's why there's a man page.

dunno why you'd want to, but just turn off enforcing if it bothers you that much

davidfetter, system-config-securitylevel

"I don't want to understand this therfore it's junk"

enforcing isn't on

so what's the problem?

Apparently he spends all his time reading the log.

JohnMahowald, consider that i might actually know what it does and think that it doesn't protect against the kinds of threats that concern me.

this is so very true for most fedora installs

consider that you don't.

Mathman, this noxious thing keeps popping up with a sheriff star. i want it to go away and not come back.

davidfetter, you dont

You mean you installed sealert.
If you didn't want it, why did you install it?

davidfetter, so disable it
system-config-securitylevel set selinux to disabled

it's supposedly disabled

system-config-securitylevel (not selinus) .. setroubleshoot not sealert

i'm still getting this noxious crap

jesus buddy, you could be a bit less of a jerkaholic if you want people to help ya out

sounds like you have it set for permissive

davidfetter, you need to reboot for selinux to be gone

setenforce 0 and disable selinux in /etc/sysconfig/selinux

thanks

FC6 calls it system-config-selinux. I have no idea what F7 calls it.

other way around iirc.

system-config-selinux is available on f7

while -securitylevel is the fc6 firewall and selinux management tool

dell $ locate system-config-selinux | grep bin
/usr/bin/system-config-selinux
-selinux is on FC6. Both of them are.

rpm -q system-config-selinux
it's not on any repo i can find in fc6 or 7

policycoreutils-gui
and it's not installed by default on fc6 atleast

dell $ rpm -qf /usr/bin/system-config-selinux
policycoreutils-gui-1.34.1-9.fc6

yum whatprovides system-config-selinux
yum's yummy

except that F7's yum now needs wildcards for fileprovides
so yum provides \*system-config-selinux is the way to go now

AndyCap really??

it's faster though

i dont have any f7 yet
all my machines have cdroms only, no dvd

ia hve to try out liveupgrade

well, seems your raid is supported by dmraid...
make sure the raid setup is deleted in the bios. then look into dmraid -r -E /disk/x /disk/y
don't do that if you plan to dual boot the raid setup or something like that

there is no raid in bios on this board. your suggestion is good, but it would be nice if installer worked with this type of setup. otherwise have to jump through hoops to get it working

Shalom everyone ! Is there any to answer a Hylafax question ?
Other then that, I've just finished the RHCE course today. Horay !

being not familiar with multipath, should each drive get its own mpath(x) ?

is there an alternative to secure-tunnel.com that doesn't SUCK like secure-tunnel.com?
that actually is normal speed and doesn't go down all the time?

Arfdee, I got no clue.........

a secure anonymous tunnel service that works with linux

Arfdee, let me email a friend of mine to see what he uses
Arfdee, I have sent that email.... I will have to wait and see

I want to transfer my kmail and kontact settings to another pc, can I just copy the .kde directory safely?

of course. but then depending on your mail setup you'd maybe need .imap and whatnot too

yes, though yo may have file ownership issues if the username/group is different

ok, thanks both
I give it a try then :0

anyone know when a fix for the e1000 issue is going to happen?

Yay, I'm back and have a new subnet all to my own!

Yay perl

hey can any one tell me how can i hide my gnome desktop icons (my computer trash box and root folder icons) ......

by installing xfce

hi all - how do I get beryl starting everytime I log in?
if I save session in KDE, it still doesn't start when I log back in
hmm
this isn't exactly #ubuntu

icheyne tell me what desktop u r using gnome/ kde/ xfc ??

kde

soory i have no idea about kde .. if u r using gnome then i might help u out ........

no prob

add beryl-manger

thanks for trying

when my system starts up it is giving error for haldaemon .. tell me how can i correct it ............????

rafb.net/paste

fsck when i gave comman service haldaemon start .. it says fail ........
fsck when i gave command service haldaemon start .. it says fail ........
fsck is any other servie is also related with it ????

udev perhaps .. /var/log/messages*

fsck should i copy and send it to u .. /var/log/messages ???

fedoraos.org

good afternoon

fsck http://rafb.net/p/7hW0zv49.html see this .........

is there a way to clear the arp cache without rebooting my server?

Does anyone know of an issue with (possibly) firefox and xmms locking up the system on FC6?
Every now and then when I'm surfing the web and listening to music the music will start looping and the system will lock up
I don't even know where to start looking to try to find out what is going on?

alecangus, does this happen with all players?

fsck what r u doing man .. plz help me out ...........

icheyne, can't say that I've tried any others

Is there a reason to need to?

alecangus, I know this is not a big help
but have you tried noatun?
it's a nice gnome player

Cool, I'll give it a try, thanks

Anyone know which port DNS is answered on? 53?
NM, found it, 53 it is

im trying to resolve a loop in my network...i believe that i have the uplink the client decided to create with a patch cable linking two cisco 2950 switches together, that created the loop, but i want to clear all arp entries on my server host as it is the default gateway on the network. I just want to clean everything up. I can shut the interface down, or reboot the server, i could also remove arp entries one at a time, but was looking
to see of there was a global command that will allow me to do this...
i mean, i removed the second uplink between two switches and have removed the loop

mmcji, What do you mean by 'Global command' ?

hey can any one tell me why my haldaemon service is not running ?? ...

a command that will clear all arp entries without bouncing eth0

mmcji, Like arp you mean?

well "arp" displays that physical address of other nodes on the network that have passed interesting traffic to the server
i want to clear all of the arp entries, and am looking for a way to do this without putting the eth0 interface in a down state

mmcji, Yes. And arp command can do that.
mmcji, 'man arp' ... "Arp manipulates the kernels ARP cache in various ways. The primary options are clearing an address mapping entry and manually setting up one."
mmcji, So you use the arp command to clear the cache. This is what you want to do right?

Now, now... you know what he wants is a cookie-cutter solution that he can use without understanding it.

yes and no. yes i want to clear all entries in my arp table, but no I do not wish to do it mac address by mac address. When yo have a couple of hundred users on your server, adding or removing mac address from the arp table one at a time is not very practical

mmcji, Script it.

What does the number of users have to do with the number of arp entries?

mwilson, I think he means 'hosts'

the syntax for clearing a mac address specifies a single host right ? for did i read the man page incorrectly ?

mmcji, A simple shell script will do it is seconds
in*

i just figured there had to be a single command to do this without creating a for loop etc...
guess not

Why would there need to be?

for a in `arp -n | awk '/^[0-9]/ { print $1; }'`; do arp -d $a; done
well that seems to work

hello !

so does
ip -4 neigh flush dev eth0

Is possible to add more moint point to any object in dia drawing tool ?

im testing them on a non production box to see what trouble i can get my self into...heheh

mount points

thanks

whoa, did nvidia update their drivers like by a version?
not just repacked

is anyone here familiar with ejabberd ?!

what would cuase kernel modules to be deleted after a reboot? i installed ndiswrapper from source and installed the nvidia drivers from the website. everytime i reboot both modules ndiswrapper and nvidia come up missing and i have to reinstall them both.

Define "missing".
You're not going to convince anyone that the files are disappearing from the HD.

if i try to 'modprobe ndiswrapper' fatal: module not found

k, i tested on rhel, fedore core 6 and a debian box, both work, though the flush command does not remove the ip, the for loop does

You've installed broken stuff in random locations and you wonder why the normal tools can't find things.

I imagine what you *actually* mean is that you re-run make, and the package's install script loads the module for you, because it knows where it put it.

how so lol i compiled ndiswrapper from source from their sourceforge website, and nvidia from their website.

And where did the ndiswrapper module get put? (we won't address why you didn't just use the packaged ones).

no, i run a make clean and then ./configure and then make install all over again, not just in random locations
the modules are GONE not mis located

Yeah, right.\
Whatever you say.

ELLO ALL

ok, im just making all this up to be a PITA and/or i have absolutely no idea what i'm talking about. people like you shouldn't respond to serious questions.

`pariah: check twice that the version of the kernel running is really the one you think you have running (uname -r) and then take a look at ls -lR /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/extra/

thanks for the info i will do that

Would anyone here know why I would be able to get the system test sounds to play in the GNOME sound panel but nothing else plays? I get a device busy error...

`pariah: You don't even know where the module gets installed, yet you tell me it's "GONE".

i know exactly where the module gets installed

acy one help me onhaldaemon service ? ... i am not able to start it up .....

anyone know if/how 'gdmflexiserver --xnest' is supposed to work?

it does in fc6

Sonar_Guy, and not f7?

No clue not running it yet

hmm...

`pariah: the second test would be to run depmod -a as a root -- what is the result of the command?

Sonar_Guy can u help me plz .. i am not able ton haldameon service .
Sonar_Guy can u help me plz .. i am not able to run haldameon service .

`pariah, Ever heard of depmod -a ?

I know nothing about the haldaemon

Sonar_Guy it's service for auto mount the cd and dvd rom ...

it doesn't make any sense to ridicule poor guy -- yes, he is clueless (I love people who refuse to use prepackaged modules but don't know where modules are supposed to be), but he has to find out later; now I would prefer to help him

DOES ANYONE know of any particular strange behaviour by Firefox under FC5 when one uses a 5th button on their mouse? It goes to random sites whenevr i hit it

i will try that as soon as i have a little free time, the box is actually at home and im at the office ATM working on our asterisk system =\

OS4x, it's probably pasting bogus URLs

Well let me ask you guys something else, more important that that Firefox issue..
I got an nForce4 system I'm running FC5 on. I get sound from the GNOME sound panel when I test the system sounds but NOTHING else wants to make sound, audio applications wont play and I tried a command to paly sound i got a device busy error
FC5 detects the onboard sound fine too...
What makes this problem so fustrating is its been hard for me to search and find anything similar so i decided to come here

OS4x, oss/alsa/sound server stuff. don't have a boxed solution for ya...
OS4x, you have to "jigger" with it. that's the technical term
OS4x, or upgrade.

lol okay
ill try to get past it
thnx

hi, I'm a linux newbie and I'm trying to configure the wireless card on my laptop. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
fedora 7 btw

fedoramobile.org

thanks wolsni!

well this is strange
I am able to install f7 on vmware

Hmm.. is there some sort of web interface to see F7 packages (like repoview)?

im doing a rpmbuild -ba specfile
and all i get is the sourcerpm and the debuginfo rpm
not the install rpm

What directory are you looking in?

http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotpz0.png
zcat, so now whats really the problem??

is any one there out who can tell me about auto mount the cd and dvd roms ?

SAM_theman, are you just showing off that you're running Suse, or do you have a question?

NO ass
I said How come I am able to run f7 on vmware

so?

And for your info I am taking it off

don't think there's a repoview made, but I did run it myself on F7 Everything dir

marct_, I'm trying to install f7 from my dvd but don't worky

so you're really asking for help with installing on a real machine?

no because they said my computer had a problem
yup

Fc6 I am trying to run yum update but it says another copy is running. i forgot the command to turn off yum updateds

if i use the spec file that is in the tarball i get an install rpm.

anyone know why installing terminus wouldn't update the available fonts list ?

Aha- thanks.

chkconfig --del yum-updatesd && service yum-updatesd stop
or something like that

that way it doesn't delete from the available list

or service yum-updatesd stop && yum remove yum-updatesd

foobar beats fubar in a googlefight. who knew?

What happened when you tried to install from the DVD?
service yum-updatesd stop

what's the best hosting program to play movie dvds with ?

maelstrom, vlc, xine

in my experience, xine

ps -ef | grep yum-updatesd | awk {'print $2'} | xargs -n1 kill
ups -ef | grep yum-updatesd | awk {'print $2'} | xargs -n1 kill/u

is it just me? F7 looks the same as FC6.

much easier than killall

it has a very different theme. Ballooons!

vlc doesn't look like it wants anything to do with it

except only one thing I noticed. the "always on top" feature works with Beryl on F7 but not on FC6

also we2by more to it than just the "look"

Hmm.. what would you use instead of stop?

the whole package distribution system changed

there were some nice fixes in F7 but there is a lot of really broken stuff now
there were some nice fixes in F7 but there is a lot of really broken stuff now

i'm just saying that yum remov'ing it would likely stop the service

and on F7 it took me hours to setup my wireless :-)

would it be appropriate to use the phrase "unmitigated disaster" to refer to the F7 release ?

LOL

works good for me

the stuff that was fixed from Core 6 were minor issues, as far as the stuff I've noticed, but there are some very big problems in Fedora 7 especially in the networking apps

just give it time boys and girls

ATI is busted, but who uses them

Oops- I didn't see that line- sorry.

I'm also a little worried about the direction that Fedora seems to be going in response to updates
Fedora has been a nice middle ground between gentoo's update to the newest svn build as soon as it's released and Slackware's upgrade what needs to be upgraded and patch the bugs
but from the posts on the mailing list it seems as though they want us to slow down with upgrades

why do you want fedora to fail? go find a distro that makes you happy instead?

How long does Fedora officially support a version for?

usually n+1 release, but that seems to be changing.

AndyCap, it would be very strange of I hoped for the distro I use to fail ??
of=if

has anyone used the label "unmitigated disaster" in relation to FC6 yet ?
has anybody yet used the label "unmitigated disaster" to describe the release of fc 6 ?

wow you have a lot of time on your hands =D

Hmm.. I'm not sure what you mean by n+1.

fc6 WAS pretty much a disaster :-)

fc5 dies when fc7 comes out..

he means "until the one after the next is released"

fc6 worked pretty well

Aha- thanks.

Has anyone ever gotten the swfdec or gnash flash plugins to actually play flash?

except for some anaconda issues it was pretty stable

the install sure was bad :-)

Neither work for me.

except that's not true for f7.

but after the install it worked fine

I just do not know what F7 is like since my DVD burner stopped working and I can't upgrade =(

it's been kind of reverse for Fedora 7 though

fc5 lives a about a month after f7

F7 install was really easy

you must not want to upgrade then. http://damaestro.us/howtos/installing-fedora-core-5-using-pxe-images/

I've gotten gnash to work, but it didn't handle anything but ads so I got rid of it
uI've gotten gnash to work, but it didn't handle anything but ads so I got rid of it/u

What a pisser.

AndyCap, look at that warning at the top ! the author advises me not to proceed ... can you forgive me for not wanting to ?

unrael, Hello

I suspect places like Youtube probably try to detect and simply refuse to stream content to non-Adobe players.

I don't think it's anything that sinister

well, open source players make it too easy for users to save content
and that's the gem of Adobe

i ran service yum update and that did the trick, but my real problem is that i couldnt get these 22 updates from the automatic update checker because it could not resolve dependencies. I tried each one indivudually when there were only 4. now what?

open source also allows for people to force ads not to display or at least stop some of them

Could anyone direct me to a tutorial for getting beryl + nVidia working on FC7?

if you can modify the source you can just have it ignore stuff

um, you can force ads not to display without modifying the player

http://fedorasolved.org/video

flashblock for firefox

Thanks =D
Is the site slow, or is it just me?

He means ads embedded in a SWF file.

hey, long time. is there any substantive difference between running yum update in the terminal and using the automatic updater?

if you use the terminal you can look like a hacker
use green text on a black background for maximum effect

A common practice is to show a 3 minute clip, then a 10 second ad, then another 3 minute clip, and so on. When the ad is playing, Adobe's player disables the fast-forward controls.

hi to all

i am gonna let this update run for a while and see what it does. right now it is trying other mirror for the 50th time

Sonar_Guy, so anything obvious I'm doing wrong here -- http://rafb.net/p/j8ep6w56.html -- google doesn't turn up much. works fine doing it the 'old' way, by manually starting Xnest as another user, then connecting to its display.

ah, I don't play long videos on youtube very often

terminal finished the downloads with one exception. it cannot update the kernel. no more mirrors to try. there are 2 lines of error message. can i paste that here?

if you're not sure it's apppopriate to paste, use a pastebin

here is the url for the error i got for kernel update: http://rafb.net/p/LO50Ob96.html

Not so much on Youtube, but on commercial sites like CNN, Fox, etc

my fix for that would be to run the update command again

i will gladly try it, but i have tried about 20 times over the past week or so.

it's not like there are hidden mirrors that you have to enter a cheat code to use

you have a common bug
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/FC6Common#head-e0676100ebd965b92fbaa7111097983a3822f143

thanks. i'll check out the link

essentially you need to replace the i586 kernel with an i686

hi all
im trying to create a base repo on my machine

that shouldn't cause yum to fail to download updates though

i hate to sound stupid, but how problematic is that?

it would if there were no more i586 kernels in the repos

I copied all of the rpms off of the i386 dvd to a local directory, and ran createrepo on that directory
but now I am tinkering with the yum file, and it is not working, any ideas

then i doubt yum would DETECT them as available updates

the repo is in /var/www/html/yum
here is what I have so far
/var/www/html/yum/base/
wait
baseurl=file:///var/www/html/yum/base/
there

Had you set up apache? IIRC you have to set-up apache to have a yum repo.
As an alternative, you can use smart instead of yum to manage the packages.

yeah... no apache
its just in that directory for future use
im trying to set it up for revisor
so nuts
joaob, thanks anyways

but does a yum repository even works withut being served through http ?
ubut does a yum repository even works withut being served through http ?/u

hi all

i think there is a way
I thought you could point the base url to a file

anyone has an idea why rhel does not ship f-spot?

Ok..good luck tehrer. You might want to take a look at smart, - it was the latest Conectva tech, before it was sold to Mandriva. Good package management, multiple repository formats (inclduing raw dir with rpm files )

k... i dont think revisor can use smart... So looks like ill just have to setup apache
thanks

it's in Mono?

Ok I will install fc6

hi AndyCap! I think they use Mono for puplet and pirut, but its shipped with rhel

Was just checking out suse because I wanted to see how vmware looks

so no f-spot, beagle, or tomboy iirc

with f7

no we don't

zcat, u mad?

python for those apps iirc

SAM_theman, huh?

zcat, I was running use?
*suse

ah
I didnt know that

SAM_theman, suuure. up against the wall traitor.

zcat, I wanted to see f7 on vmware ware

what am i missing here, grep is wigging out on me on f7...

What can I use to replace f-spot?

what I am going to do is give fedora 100GB
and have vmware and put other os's on them

if you don't mind KDE apps digikam is pretty nice

thats shipped with rhel5?

brb in 1 hours guys

this is the first page of output from grep "LeftPanAutomationLine" *|less

no idea, sorry

http://rafb.net/p/ZVuZbe59.html

or if you don't mind closed source binary evilness, picasa

if i dotn use less it goes on forever

i mind

note i removed the -n switch even yet it still prints line numbers
at least after the second line it is

ho-hum, haven't looked at f-spot before, but I'd be surprised if they don't get a nastygram from picasa over the logo.

hmmm.... digicam is in kdegraphics?

porbably

yum provides digicam would tell you

and it's digikam isn't it?

it's called digikam and that's the package name too

thx

might want digikamimageplugins and kipi-plugins packages as well

SO are there any known issues in Version 7 yet that anyone has discovered? Install in particular? I like to know befroe I start the install

theres a virus on it that overclocks your cpu
and a few have reported that it has actually burned there motherboards

kidding right?

yes of course
lol

i installed f7 yesterday
and so far it's pretty nice, no problems so far

Laptop or desktop?

desktop

32 or 64bit?

64
with kmod-nvidia and beryl
using KDE

Is KDE the preferred over Gnome?

:-)

not really
but i much prefer it over gnome

either one works

E-mu: probably better not to ask

just fine

I aks that because I see a FC7 Live CD KDE

there is one for gnome too

E-mu: the Prime spin us gnome

but just use one

*uses

yeah they both do the job, gnome is lighter but KDE has more features

preferrably one you like

so don't install both and run the change desktop?

E-mu: do what you like

i keep both installed

seriously just use them both for a while and pick one you like

personally i like to switch between the two when i get used to one its nice to have somethign different

I prefer gnome but kde is very very nice and so is flux box
but then again give me a shell for a server platform
i prefer to keep it simple

yeah

kde/gnome anyday man

yeah not to sound like a radical here but yeah the KISS philosophy is the way
hehe

whats t he kiss philospohy

keep it simple stupid
lol
old skool unix host philosophy

simple
windows is simple

Thanks for the Info. I'm off for a bit

nah like dont write one program to do 90000 things
you ever read the art of unix programming mrmeoff?

yes i wrote it

*gasp*
well you might want to join catb then hehe
j/k

well if that's what you were talking about you sure led me off

no just messing with you if you are esr

Hi all

but yeah simplistic design is key in our environments

programs that do one thing and do it well vs keep it simple lol

sup px

nothing much, still working out the kinks in f7

yeah you said you wrote the book called the art of unix programming
so you pretty much said you were esr
and i seen your room list did not include catb
so i said join catb hehe
but yes simple programs along with the design of unix design of doing one job well go hand in hand

So im racking my brains...i have my shared MP3's added to my playlist in XMMS, but none of them play, it just cycles through the list! What am I doing wrong!
Im playing from a network drive
and the network drive is mounted

no thanks i will idle here thank you hehe

hehe okies

you have a MP3 capable XMMS?

yeah

you going to oscon meoff?

it plays files fine if I copy them to desktop or local computer

I can't, new jobs are always no fun

just not from the network location

im not really eric reymond, i wa kidding, but i am familiar with the book

i know

good lol

as soon as you said the comparison esr has a familiar rebuttle and some good snickers about
ESR is pretty comical guy
but yeah the book art of unix programming was in depth with KISS philosophy

yes

yeah i can understand, i just didnt connect the two when i first read what you said

I don't use xmms or networked music shares so i'm no more help

hehe its all good
I made catb hehe

that's wierd
xmms wont play them even is run as root?

lemme try that

could be a permissions issue with mounted drive, unlikly but worth a try

then at least I know its a permissions thing

yes exactly

nope, root makes no difference

this may make no sense at all, but i had the same problem with network drive, and you know how i fixed it?
i unplugged and plugged my router back in lol

lol
well that would be super wierd, since im going wireless

yes, so really i dont know how to fix, but someone in here might

hmm. f7, open office is failing to start here. x86_64 version of Fedora. Anyone else have that problem?

word processor
?

yeah

im running it for the first time on x86_64 and it works for me

great...

sorry i thought perhasp we could solve the problem together but i got unlucky

if by "failing to start" you mean starting as normal and running as expected .. then yes .... mine fails to start too

I installed the suspend2 packages. How do I tell gnome-power-manager to use suspend2 instead of swsusp_

well it finally happened, win2k3 server that had our ENTIRE customer database RAID or SCSI controller failed, lost all data
we're screwed bigtime
life is good

moeSizlak, raid isn't backup. idiot.

well the server isnt maintained by us
we have no choice how it backsup
they dispatched a tech who'll be here at 10pm who will prlly scratch his balls and say, well you need a new server

qwweee
I am on Fedora core 6
and I gave it the whole HD
160 lovey gb's
u there pup ?

what ya gonna do with it, porn or movies?

nah

mp3s?

vmware

everything you've typed since you've come in is off topic or inappropriate

and my animation programs
and my Legal music

should Xine be able to run .mov??? (xine-lib-extras-nonfree installed), I get just sound and a blue "playback"... (I also have the all-pack from mplayer). VLC is also crashing at .mov...

i'm trying to set up a crontab which runs a program on my x session. can't get it to work. is there something i'm missing? as a test i'm trying to run 'zenity --info --text="test"'. i've tried that, also DISPLAY=:0 zenity --info --text="test"
s/crontab/cronjob/

does the program not run, or not display?

it's been set to run every minute, and ps aux | grep zenity | grep -v grep shows nothing
uit's been set to run every minute, and ps aux | grep zenity | grep -v grep shows nothing/u
so it's probably running and giving an error

hey sg

/tmp/zenity and check that...

and 2

try writing to a file, inseat odf to screen

yes

maybe need like "xhost +" to display

never heard of that, can you elaborate?

ur X session will block unpremitted windows

thats strange I have quicktime (*mov) videos working left and right
did you install the codecs?

i haven't tried this "xhost +" thing yet, but zenity just outputted to a file and gives "This option is not available. Please see --help for all possible usages."
no idea what it's referring to -- the command works if i run it in my shell

thunderbird or evoulution
*evolution

tremby,, sounds like u got multiple problems :-)

which is better?

yeah? any idea what?
all my other cronjobs work fine, but they're not trying to load any x programs to my running x session

gnome or kde?
u
or xface

xine-lib-extras-nonfree, and all-codec pack from mplayer (http://fedorasolved.org/multimedia-solutions/win32-codecs/)

kde, but i run a lot of gnome programs

ur command line is not happy runnning out of cron
maybe its because cron runs as root or nobody

7 PM) tremby: SAM_theman: kde, but i run a lot of gnome programs

i've also tried su tremby -c 'the command i said earlier'
which root should be able to do

and X does not like to let unknown users display to ur screen

gimp, gedit , so on??

hey, I have a problem

have you flushed your computer?

you asked me if i run kde or gnome. i run kde, but i run a lot of gnome programs. is this relevant to my problem?

yes

sshd works great, but when I edit the sshd_conf file to change the port to 79 (or others) it wont work on it. I've tried restarting and restarting the daemon

if i su to root i can run su tremby -c 'zenity --info --text="test"'

because you can have multiple of programs running at the same time

no dice, any idea why?

which cause problems
I used to do that on 5

i don't see your point

ok lets say you install mplay, xine ,kaffine, amarok and all the other multimedia packages
eventually one will most likely break

all my multimedia stuff is fine.

and I'm running Fedora Core 6, is there a way to upgrade it to 7 via SSH? or do I need to install through burnt disks?

what's that got to do with cron jobs and zenity?

http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/nvidia-yum-livna/ , but after I logged out, my xorg.conf file was invalid.

Ahadiel, that happens sometimes

Anyway to get around it?
I had to revert back to default config.

VileGent, After I installed teh driver?

select yes
yes

Run that even though my xorg.conf is back to default?

select the adaptor and monitor

And what do you mean by runlevel 3? O_O
(I've just switched from Ubuntu)

it resets and lets you configure xorg.conf

OOPS
wrong guy
LOL

no problem, thought it might be

Hi, all. I just booted into Fedora 7 and my icons are missing from the panel. How can I get them back?

I was talking to the other guys with the *mov error
you got me confused
actually I confused myself

aTypical, like the main fedora menu?

yes
Also, mouse clicks don't seem to work.

main menu

VileGent, Sooo.. runlevel 3 is basically just a terminal?

i've figured it out! i just needed to explicitly say DISPLAY=:0.1 before the command

go to www.gnome-look.org and download a theme (icon)

good,

Ahadiel, you can invetigate that on your own later
man inittab

Is there a key combination I can use to bring up a terminal window?

aTypical:
http://flaxian.altervista.org/Flygo-0.1.tar.gz

you can probably set up what you like somewhere, but usually alt-f2 is a run dialog, from which you can type konsole or gnome-terminal or whatever your favourite console is

Thanks, tremby.

SOb
?
SG what was that for?

SG = southern_gent

do you realize you posted in the channel before i kicked you

yup
yes

do you realize what you posted

what?

altervista is a virus packing site
it's blackhat
not even greyhat
it's pure evil
satan doesnt even pirate warez from that site

areu for real?

yeah cheeze ball
learn your site before you post it
running linux is the only thing that's keeping you online right now

hell, I get my theme from there ...

if you had windows, youd have like 4 virii from that site

SAM_theman, They are a well know poWn site. Don't go there.

yeah, run free software don't steal
:p

wow
I never kne that
*knew that
well it was posted with gnome-look.org
srry

posted with or posted on?

let me show you
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Flygo+%28Tango+remix%29?content=59753
don't kick me

no i asked for that

say what?
relax, I'm probably sure the guy had clamv installed
he seemed like a beginner
but srry bout the word

SAM_theman, Yeh it is called social engineering. What happens is people pose as good intarweb citizens, post poluted or infected but apparently usefull stuff on legitimate sites. . DO you know who posted that link?

SAM_theman, you never know what os someone may be running in irc

umm
wow
whats next
what else have I done wrong

plenty

:-$
hey what the

Strange.. it looks like some legitimate stuff is under that domain...

my name

I have a question, can someone give me a hand?

yeah

hehe
I know I know
anyways, I have an SSHD going running on default, but I need to change the port from 22 to 79

SAM_theman, no thanks i dont want to Cyber

well don't get mad when i post it

when I change "#Port 22" to "Port 79" on sshd_conf and restart the daemon, it wont work

Forgott3n`, man sshd.conf

Ok heres what you want to hear
Sorry

anyone know anything about invoking anaconda from a livecd and have anaconda in a window while installing?

can I stress the s anymore than the t???

SAM_theman, i have seen that site eat machine

mmm

ok so Forgott3n`how you doing old friend

when I change "#Port 22" to "Port 79" on sshd_conf and restart the daemon, it wont work

where can i get some help with anaconda installer?

Forgott3n`: what happens to make you believe it doesn't work?

Forgott3n`, What Fedora you using? It's /etc/ssh/sshd_config where I am.,

"ssh -p 79 localhost" returns "ssh: connect to host localhost port 79: Connection refused"

service sshd stop .. first would be appropriate

paste your /etc/ssh/sshd_config

Forgott3n`, firewall. selinux.

iptables?

Im using Fedora Core 6, in /etc/ssh/sshd_config

Forgott3n`, Good. Do you get any messages in /va/log/messages when the daemon is restarted?

Forgott3n`: chkconfig --list | grep iptables

Forgott3n`, Have you confirmed it listens on the port you want ? netstat -tlnp
Forgott3n`, Is the iptables firewall configured to allow incoming port 79 ?

uhm
how do I configure it to allow port 79 then?

Forgott3n`, You did not answer my other questions..

chkconfig isn't an existing command
/var/log/messages is a massive file I have no clue what to do with

VileGent, are you hanging out with EvilBob again?

Forgott3n`, It is a cumulating log. Look at the last few lines tail -f /var/log/messages

Forgott3n`, yes it is if you are root (su -)

Forgott3n`, So have you detirmined that the server is listening on 79? netstat -tlnp

VileGent, I was user forgott3n but I ran "su" and now Im root
I think

command not found

"command not found?" A: Run the command AS ROOT after switching users with "su --login" or "su -" in order to get root's command PATH so the command WILL be found; don't run "su" by itself. If it's still not found, then either it's not installed in a standard path location (echo $PATH), is not executable (chmod a+x), is in your current dir (./runme), or you've spelled it incorrectly.

Forgott3n`, man su

Forgott3n`, read that

OK, so I've decided the profile for my user account is hosed. How do I recreate it? What are the files that make up a user's profile?

/etc/skel

Mathman, sorry, I meant in the home directory.

aTypical, create a new account and copyfrom it

when you create an account that's the junk that gets put in it

ah, hold on I need to get the server a head and a keyboard

What driver do I select?
nv or nvidia?

nvidia

Let's see if that worked.

I did that, and I still could not use desktop effects
And when I did that 'test' from the tutorial, x crashes and restarts

Ahadiel, uname -r
rpm -q kmod-nvidia

2.6.21-1.3194.fc7
I added beryl-manager to startup, so I can't use UI right now.
kmod-nvidia-100.14.09-1.2.6.21_1.3194.fc7

http://slexy.org/paste/3033

lets get your graphics working first then worry about effects

k, right now I'm on runlevel 3

at this point Im connected to the machine via ssh (port 22) on a laptop
I haven't been disconnected

This card + drivers worked fine under ubuntu T_T
nVidia Gefore 7600 GS

i have my NGF 7600GSOC working without issue.

nvidia isn't working

Last night I removed FC6 and installed F7. After that I booted into it, and logged in using gnome. Today I booted into Win2k. When I went back to Fedora, I was logged into KDE by default and gnome isn't on the session list at the login screen. Can someone help me with this?

lies

Forgott3n`, And from that output you can see that sshd is listening on port 79, right ?

yes

:-D

my nvidia card worked right away with f7

but still get a connection refused
I*

Mine worked too, but not with 3D Acceleration

no wait... a Network Error: No Route to Host

I am not able to install fedora core 7

lets get your graphics working first then worry about effects

only on vmware

Okay

i have 3d accel

and that pisses me off

SAM_theman, and you are pissing me off

Xen is pissing me off
though.. i think it is hardware issues

the battleaxe is pissing me off

everyone's pissed off

so, What should i do?

SAM_theman, are you 8 years old?

Ahadiel, fix my Xen server issues and i'll fix your nvidia issues? ok?

system-config-display --reconfig

ok.. go on 3... 1.2.3.

kk, and choose nvidia or nv?

configure you adaptor and monitor
nvidia

okay

as i told you before

Okay, brb. doing that

hello all can anyone recommend a good howto or a tutorial on turning my linux server in to a router?

daMaestro, what kind of issues can i know ?

openbysource, i think i have some hardware issues.. so i am getting: Unable to start guest.(Error: Disk isn't accessible )
kinda i pita.
hmm i guess "I' am a pita.. at least that is with my fingers told my keyboard...
lol

Ah, where is the file that has all startup programs?
I can't start X because I have beyrl-manager auto-loading.

no idea where that is

flash never had issues with fc6

sigh... beryl shmeryl

now It won't load stuff on youtube, or on foxnews
wonder what's up

Ahadiel, system-config-display --reconfig --noui && startx

i'm gonna reboot see if it fixes it
something obviously freaked out

reboot for flash?
magical thinking

That's not the problem T_T
I need to remove beryl-manager from startup

yum remove "*beryl*"

start your fail-safe session?

then install it again later

I can't log in using gnome anymore, though I can use KDE and gnome programs run. I'm using Fedora 7. Can someone help me with this?

Ahadiel, are you daft? system-config-display --reconfig --noui && startx *should* start you with the nv driver
Ahadiel, and that *should* fail beryl-manager and not effect your session
it should just fail to start and metacity should be loaded

onexused, did you upgrade or clean install?

clean install

Session and choose gnome

The options that I see are "KDE" and "Default Session"

then gnome is not installed

onexused, then you didn't install gnome? yum groupinstall gnome-desktop

onexused, yum install switchdesk

VileGent, Okay, beryl removed and I'm back in X

switchdesk gnome

I was able to use gnome once after I installed, though, and Eye of Gnome and SameGnome work.

ok, I can "ssh -p 79 localhost" on the server, but if I try to connect via ssh from my laptop (windows and PuTTY) I get a "Network Error: No Route to Host"

Forgott3n`, putty tries port 22

I set it to port 79

A friend is IM" me asking about F7 and wireless cards? Anyone know a URL to reference? I sent him to fedoraproject.org since I use ethernet cards, and very little wireless

Forgott3n`, did you open your firewall port 79
fedoramobile.org

uhm
how do I do that?

guycook, depends on the wireless card

Forgott3n`, system-config-securitylevel

VileGent, Okay, back in X

VileGent, thanks, any recommendations?

guycook, ipw2x00

fedoramobile.org
guycook, what card does he have

hurray
thank you VileGent

whats is xen actually?

SAM_theman, google

now for some fun! any idea how to get the vncserver up?

can somebody please explain to me

SAM_theman, http://giyf.us/Xen

is that site bad??

HIs card is a USB dlink 120 now

VileGent, I guess I'll have to install gnome again. 'switchdesk gnome' says I don't have it. Would have removing gnome-screensaver or installing thunderbird, xscreensaver, xscreensaver-extras, wine, and xmms uninstalled it? I don't understand why I don't have it anymore.

does it show as installed in Add/Remove Software (pirut) ?

I didn't install pirut.

right then

VileGent, Now, how would I get 3D Acceleration working?

ahadiel, 3d hould be working now

Add/Remove Software entry?

ahadiel, what video card

coolbreeze, Well, it always froze when I had it in FC5 so I haven't installed it since then.

nVidia GF 7600 GS

coolbreeze, right, it's not there
coolbreeze, I was wrong, it is

that driver should support the card

VileGent, i told him to use nv
VileGent, so he could at least get Xorg working again

coolbreeze, but it won't run because it isn't installed. Give me a second to install it

ahadiel, rpm -qa|grep nvidia

sec

coolbreeze, and it froze at about 1/3 bar just like it did back in FC5. I'm gonna uninstall it again unless you say not?
ucoolbreeze, and it froze at about 1/3 bar just like it did back in FC5. I'm gonna uninstall it again unless you say not?/u

kmod-nvidia-100.14.09-1.2.6.21_1.3194.fc7
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-100.14.09-1.lvn7

ahadiel, modprobe nvidia
ahadiel, /sbin/lsmod|grep nvidia

no harm in leaving it. up to you though

coolbreeze, well if I can't use it... : )

ahadiel, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old (please put it on http://paste.fedoraunity.org)

samba-common i386 3.0.25a-3.fc7 updates 7.2 M
yesh! finally, it'sh updated!
2 ares su: PAM unable to resolve symbol:

how long did you give it? and do you have yum-fastestmirror installed?

I don't. I didn't give it long.

daMaestro, http://rafb.net/p/ZiJMFD80.html
I'll try to enable desktop effects now

install it, run yum update once from a term, then give pirut a try again

daMaestro, Desktop Effects could NOT be enabled.

I did 'yum groupinstall gnome-desktop.' It seems everything from that group is installed except gnome-session (which I didn't remove on purpose), gnome-screensaver (which I did) and Network-Manager-gnome (I don't know what it is).

ZeroCipher, "is gone." ?

howdy all. is xgl no longer needed for beryl? I did a yum upgrade of fc6 to fc7, now when I run beryl-manager X crashes and restarts
rpm -qa | grep -i xgl returns zero
yum search xgl returns zero

xyphor, What card?

nvidia
glx is working

xyphor, Can you enable desktop effects?

is that done through the beryl manager?

Look & Feel

hmmm...lemme see

and what card do you have?

I'm running kde, so that path doesn't exist :-/

umm
T_T

Would have removing gthumb taken off gnome-session?

It's somewhere there then.

nVidia Corporation NV31M [GeForce FX Go5650] (rev a1)

xyphor, type desktop-effects in terminal

ahadiel, you are still using nv
ahadiel, common.. use the grey matter in your skull

yes, although it's dumb.

No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work.

daMaestro, No, I'm using nvidia

I'm using the proprietary nvidia driver

nvidia - Vendor-supplied driver for nvidia cards.

ahadiel, grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf

I think I can take it from here...was looking for xgl...guess I don't need it

xyphor, no.. the nvidia driver supports GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap

Driver "kbd"
Driver "nvidia"
hrm
should kbd be there? O_O

ahadiel, hmm is right... did you change it to nvidia?

yes

ok. sorry.

I went to display and changed it to nvidia.

ahadiel, /sbin/lsmod|grep nvidia

nvidia 7250420 18
i2c_core 24641 7 i2c_ec,tuner,bttv,i2c_i801,nvidia,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom

paste.fedoraunity.org

I have it fixed now. Thanks, coolbreeze and VileGent

daMaestro, http://rafb.net/p/sscBSZ78.html

it seems you didn't use l-c-d
livna-config-display

AIGLX selected I assume?
xgl is greyed out

ahadiel, http://rafb.net/p/sj8qzm62.html
yes.

okay

if you would select aiglx.. i think it just adds the options i have shown on the paste

kk
keep that link, restarting X

shall i stand on one foot and dance for you too?

Desktop Effects failed.

lol

again! again!

daMaestro, How do I check if aiglx is running?

ahadiel, grep -i aiglx /var/log/Xorg.0.log

nvidia doesn't make use of aiglx

(= AIGLX enabled
Screen 0 is not DRI capable
o-o
Do I need xgl then?
The option is greyed off and the note says, "XGL will only be enabled if found in /usr/bin/Xgl"

no
you don't need xgl
i have the same card working.. no issues
oh.. dar.
i know what is wrong.. ;-)

What T_T

ahadiel, http://rafb.net/p/XBPMhe46.html
but replace lib64 with lib if you are not x86_64
sorry.. i'm trying to deal with Xen right now

lib64 with lib or lib32?

0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a2) is what i have.. it works
ahadiel, lib

k
Should I keep my Modes line?
or just use your's?

i don' care

kk
restarting X
YAY!
3 daMaestro

ctrl-\ on init is always fun
rc.sysinit ...
lol

apollinaris classic naturally sparkling mineral water

Apollinaris over-priced tap water?

nope, not tap water

i recall a clip of several people on a stage rating the taste of various brands of bottled water. After, the camera pans behind the stage to show a guy filling the bottle with a hose.

Haha.

bottles*

mutk, are you around?

hello

Xaero_Vincent, hello

tinh, you had a kvm problem yesterday i guess ?

openbysource, yes

i found that on bugzilla

openbysource, oh really?
openbysource, but it's for x64_86, I'm now on F7 x86

yes. it's related to ip forwarding not available in the guests

openbysource, you've file a bug about this?

240922 at bugzilla
no some redhat guy
it says something like this The default networking with KVM will not work properly unless ip_foward is enabled. There's currently no instruction or prompt to let you know this.

openbysource, it's weird, I can dig, but cannot ping in the guest

Argh! Why doesn't Banshee sort Track numerically...

openbysource, thanks for the bug info, it saves me a day!

no problem :P

Hrm. It does. nm

what now?

oh? mine seemed to sort by artist instead

i come in and i hear bugs

Just Banshee being a PITA, that's all.

my big PITA is terminating process from tv tuner when i exit my tvtime
it stays running therefore screws up everything

openbysource, from the bug description "The advanced user is going to take a look at his routing and figure this out"

it wont let me shut down because the process wont terminate

openbysource, it means that we can do something about this

eclipse says "no vm" or somesuch when i try to debug, any ideas?

tinh, yes. i would probably say to enable ip forwarding.

or, rather, cannot connect to vm

openbysource, I'm a noob in Fedora world, do you know how to do that?

which jvm you using?

official from a .bin
from sun

tinh, yes. edit /etc/sysctl.conf

through fedorasolved.org 's tutorial

tinh, there you should have net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0 in order to have ip forwarding

openbysource, of the guest or the host?

the default vm is a joke if you do java development as it's not 1.5.x or higher

sorry net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1

hey guys

tinh, that's a good question ? you need to check if you can ping host's ip from guest. if it is possible then you need to make ip forward enabled in host.

openbysource, wait a sec, I have to start the guest

where would the output of a kernel panic be logged

dmesg ?

openbysource, Good news! I can ping the host from the guest

got setroublshoot installed an running?

/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward on host to try first

no, but I just need to know what chcon thingy to do to my /home/samba directory so samba can see it.

setroubleshoot will probably tell you

openbysource, bingo!
openbysource, the guest now can access the internet, many thanks!

no problem :P to make ip forwarding permanent you can edit /etc/sysctl.conf :P

openbysource, will do

ok, I will try it. Thanks!!

are kernel panics not loged?

openbysource, if possible, could you please add this to the bugzilla?

tinh, doing so now

openbysource, I think others are still searching for a work around for this too

i don't think there's a for logging a kernel panic
a facility*
bleh. time for sleep

openbysource, can I boot a KVM machine with a ISO?
openbysource, I mean after installing a guest OS, I want to boot this machine with another ISO, such as Knoppix DVD or something?
openbysource, I don't see this feature in KVM

tinh, afaik i know you can do so. i haven't tried that. but try editing the virtual machine listed in virt-manager.

What the heck are you breaking now?

openbysource, I tried that, but there's no setting to change the ISO, because the guest machine doesn't have a CDROM
openbysource, and we can't add a CDROM to the guest machine either

tinh, in that case i guess you need to edit the config file it uses.

samba, mythtv, the phones... and... um... well that's it for *tonight*

tinh, i have no idea never tried kvm that much

But it's all working now so its ok! :-D
How's the new laptop?

Sucks

openbysource, the guest have only one file, that's the bad news

Sounds like a satisfied purchase!

Wireless is not supported brcause it is too new

ELLO ALL

Graphics are not supported because it is too new

too new is never good.

CD Drive is not supported

what'd you get?

a door stop

CD too??? WTF?

Anyone here ever heard of a Kernel taking up gigs and gigs of disk space during the compiling process?

tinh, look for xml file in /etc/libvirt/qemu

lol

openbysource, ok

which laptop did you purchase?

that xml file specifies your guest. for more syntax on the structure about that xml file http://libvirt.org

You should'a bought a Dell with ubuntu!!!
lol

that's typical

Core 2 Duo, 4 Gigs Ram, 160 Gig HDD, nVidia 8800m GFX

fedorared, are you SERIOUS? How much free space do I need just to compile a kernel???

8800 doesn't work with the latest nvidia driver released on friday?

ASUS A8S

Hrm. Is there a drive space GNOME applet anywhere?

Adam Jackson had me test a new nv driver today
So at least that is working

wow, sounds like it has a little kick to it...

you're not interested in 3d?

not in the least
it is a work machine

There wasn't a more sensible video card option?

if I wanted 3d I would have got one with 512MB dedicated GFX
it was the only machine I could find with a 14" screen C2Duo and 4 Gigs ram in my price range
Hi che

hello

4GB should become much more common in the next few months as higher density chips are introduced

When I can get 8 cores, 16 Gigs ram and 12 hour battery life I will be happy with the laptop
When I can get 8 cores, 16 Gigs ram and 12 hour battery life I will be happy with the laptop
yeah and a 9" screen

Were you able to get a 7200rpm drive?

Yeah

ok, that'd suck to be stuck with a 5400rpm drive with everything else so nice

mmmmm 4gigs or ram mmmmmm

Did SailBoat tell you about Saturday night?
grrr

Is there a way to transfer files that have a size greater than 2 gigs over samba?
need to transfer a 8 gig file from linux to windows

i thought the 2g limit was eclipsed
dunno for sure though

Im on FC6 and seem to have the problem

alpha255, the limit is still there for certain programs. wget and curl for example are fine.

ahhh

can I wget it?
9 gig file

serialpinguin, sure, if you have the drive mounted.
though wget is for http... I've never used it for such a thing

I thought of taking the drive out of the linux box for a short time, and putting it in the windows box for a faster TF

scp/ssh don't have the 2gb limit..

yea,, buts its freakn slow

serialpinguin, scp should give you a fine speed
worst case, you could always just break it up into a bunch of smaller files and transfer those.
(but you shouldn't have to do that.)

Can I install the linux drive on the windows box,, just to transfer,, or will doz not see the partition?

what about ftp? that should wor
k

serialpinguin, windows cannot read ext3 formatted drives.

dang
what about the other way around?

Not without a special driver.

can linux write to NTFS?

serialpingiun, that would work (if it's ntfs you have to download a module)

Also. not without a special driver.
So both ways work, but not trivially.

Choose your poison, basically.

care to share which module?

kmod-ntfs from livna, iirc.

ntfs-3g

tanks

In Fedora.

sweet
, then i can just mount the badboy

You could use WinSCP to scp it over.

yea, I was using filezila
but I was im patient

any retro gamers here? (nes snes n64 sega ps1 ect)

drama1981, topic
oh hey, the topic changed o_O
well, in that case!
sure.... why.. not.

ferrum i only asked because im looking for emulators for them systems that run under f7

drama1981, consult the internet

k ill try that
ferrum would it be hard to port a windows version of one of them emulators to work with linux?

how is everyone tonight

drama1981, yes.
drama1981, you could try running it under Wine, however.
tw2113, I haven't slept in two days

you must have some awesome coffee

ive tried they dont even open it says opening for like 5 mins then nothing

I meant to, but by the time I was nearly asleep the sun was already out.
yes, good coffee :/

fair enough really

ah, to be young and unemployed.

i'm working on a delayed payment plan for an internship
aka they can't fund a paycheck right now, i need the hours, so i just get paid when they can afford to pay me
quite fun and has me up before 8am 5 days a week

what do they have you doing?

web and graphic work

ah that's not bad

technically it's supposed to be a graphic design internship, but i think we're going to look past that fact a bit