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majikman
manual
mai esti ?

da

uite ce vreau sa te intreb
cum fac un link..
atunci cand apas sub el..
Saxe- mi apara alte link-uri
*sa-mi

imi pare rau, al meu limba roman este foarte rau
:P
sunt american

ok i`ll try explain in english
a link that when i press it under it to apear another sub-links

nu inteleg

....
i want to creat a like to do that:
when i press it with the mouse
under that link to appear new links

oh
html can not do that

no ?

like a menu, da?

da

nope it can't do that

so how can i make ?

use javascript

can u give me a java hosting code for that ?
or a java menu
to do that

no i don't know javascript host very well, but you can google for sample code
http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/dropmenuindex.htm
there you go
try the 'Demo' that is what you want, yes?

manual
i want it on mouseclick not on mouseover

it does mouse click
click on "News Sites"

ya but not like that..
i want it to enlarge the page

well i cannot do your work for you

on http://arnout.engelen.eu, i'd like the 'navigation' box to be put more closely to the image
I figured i could do that by setting the 'margin-top' of 'p-navigation' to something negative in http://arnout.engelen.eu/skins/monobook/main.css
if I look at it in firebug, the margin-top isn't there, while if I look at the main.css seperately, it is
what could be going on here?

what is the code for "enter" in html hosting ?

jimie,

ok thanks

double spaced?

but it stretches out the whole table, just for that one entry

anyone know how a "print this" button is done

tags, but nothing seems to work.

Never mind, I figured it out. The table row thing does actually work.

hello
how may I play background music
without stopping and restarting
at every page change?

hi ... what do you think about that layout (its just a pre-preview and the colors arent matching that well)

hello all
anyone knows of a program to make a design of our web site? drawing a diagram or something like that ?

hi, is it possible with html to have an "alt text" when hovering over a link, similar to "alt" in img ?

I don't recall getting that feature in Firefox or Safari
the "normal" behavior that is

ok, i guess it requires js...

not necessarily
CSS could possibly do it.
I was thinking that what you were asking...well, is something Internet Explorer does

`html title @ pav_

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-TITLE

oops wrong title
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.4.3

Anyone knows of a way to set maximum image width and height, so the image still saves its width/height proportion?

thank you !

who's on an iMac ?

hi
inside a table i cannot use the onmouseclick, onmouseout in order to trigger events, is there a way to overcome this?

uhm
what do attach it to?

"onmouseclick"? "onclick" you mean
those events should be detected on any element

never mind it works now

Hmm, well I don't know if I should ask here or in the Javascript channel but I'll state it here too.. My image won't show: www.eyecandy.be

@

(www.eyecandy....) HTML: Failed (5 errors, see http://tinyurl.com/2nsc3e ) | CSS: Valid [12 warnings] ( http://tinyurl.com/22l2wn ) | DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Strict + url | (MIME: text/html, text/html; charset=UTF-8)

like the topic says, you should fix those validation errors first

@

(www.eyecandy....) HTML: Failed (1 error, see http://tinyurl.com/2nsc3e ) | CSS: Valid [12 warnings] ( http://tinyurl.com/22l2wn ) | DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Strict + url | (MIME: text/html, text/html; charset=UTF-8)

webben maybe it's because i was just uploading
gonna check those now
@ www.eyecandy.be
@

( eyecandy.be) HTML: Validator Error (see http://tinyurl.com/29yksm ) | CSS: Valid [12 warnings] ( http://tinyurl.com/39ld9r ) | DOCTYPE: Network Error | (MIME: Error)
(www.eyecandy....) HTML: Failed (1 error, see http://tinyurl.com/2nsc3e ) | CSS: Valid [12 warnings] ( http://tinyurl.com/22l2wn ) | DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Strict + url | (MIME: text/html, text/html; charset=UTF-8)

wtf
if i do it manually i dont get any css warnings

"manually" = what in this case?

if i go to the validation sites myself

note warnings != errors

and fill in the url

at the site, scroll down to see CSS warnings

none
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=www.eyecandy.be&warning=1&profile=css21&usermedium=all
check it yourself..

select advanced, then all warnings
sorry "More options"

css 2.1?

if you follow zofbot's link, it's using css3
css 2.1 is 10 warnings not 12
look at the query string\

hi
if i have a html color code like "#f1f1f1" is there a site where i can test it to see how it looks?

http://ghm.demon.co.uk/~richard/temporary/sky-faults.html Does anyone know why the text in the red columns isn't aligned in the centre like it should be?

how can i do that my javascript alerts will be aligned from right to left

hi

`html acronym

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-ACRONYM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4028937454334461526

Hey
Question, I have some massive images, how can I make them 20% of the normal size, no matter what the original pic is?
like img src="sdfjs.jpg" size.... or some CSS thing

Western_Digital, use a graphics program.
Western_Digital, `convert` from ImageMagik can do a really good job
]]imagemagik @ Western_Digital

[Google] http://www.imagemagick.org/ (More results: http://tinyurl.com/3dpg7z )

hmm
I need the actual image there though
can I do it in the borswer
browser?*

]listamatic @ reisio

listamatic: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/

]rollover @ reisio

rollover: http://wellstyled.com/css-nopreload-rollovers.html , http://devilock.mine.nu/pixie/ , http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2004/05/navigation-matrix-reloaded/

what was craigslist coded in?
xml?

dookey

hi
when the browser meets a img src=..., does it send a new request to load the image or just load it right now within the same request?
Help!
when the browser meets a img src=..., does it send a new request to load the image hosting or just load it right now within the same request?

fxch, if you had ANY clue about HTTP you would know that it's a different request.
]]rfc 2616 @ fxch

[Google] http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2616.html (More results: http://tinyurl.com/2g54l2 )

thank you, lemme see

question for you folks...
it works perfectly under firefox but i get a horizontal scrollbar when viewing the iframe under IE
its a table w/ a dynamic width of 98% showing in the iframe
firefox squeezes it perfecly... ie throws the damn horizontal scrollbar
any simple way to work it and still leave vertical scrolling alone?

Does setting scrolling="auto" work?

nope... still an issue
and besides scrolling="auto" is default for iframe in IE and firefox

Thought so.

if you've got both browsers installed i can show you specifically whats going on

I do

instead of width: 98%;, why not leave width alone...

i tried with width not specified and still had the same issue under IE6
i tried without even using a table on the page in question
just plain body text
still had horizontal scroll under IE6

try with margin-right: 16px;
oh a horizontal, sorry :p
overflow-x: hidden;

in the style for the iframe right?

I wouldn't be surprised if that were enough

nope... that didnt do it
i'll send you url via pm 1 sec

why are these in iframes at all?

`html style

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/styles.html#adef-style

Cool.

Period.

Hey, that's pretty handy

indeed it is
you can also use ], for another bot

reisio... because this site is being handed over to a guy with 0 html host experience and i'm trying to lock it down so that he edits the subpage content only... not the primary site content

and Lolibot (yet another bot) has all sorts of other interesting features
and you can't just use SSI?

Hi

'lo Zu

onto one line is good, is that true

u =/= you

aligning two elements on the same horizontal space can be a good idea
it also can be a bad one, it depends :p
perhaps you should rephrase

well, using on this zuwer.100webspace.net/tests/ be a good idea

http://zuwer.100webspace.net/tests/

srry bout dat

reisio saves the day. Lazy links ftw.

the non-table markup inside the body element is not particularly bad, but not particularly good, either
]layout @ Zuwer

Examples with proper markup and CSS: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssLayouts , http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/ , http://glish.com/css/ , http://bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ , http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/

im use to typing in a place where links dnt work so we dnt bother with http://

;google hsivonen doctype @ Zuwer

http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/

mmm....bots.

it's either bots or setup autoreplace stuff for my IRC client
one is less work :p

whats that site?

it's a site with information that will be useful to you

ok TY

Hello, i need some very basic help!
can any1 help me?
thanks.
I am kinda new to flash template thingis, i created some very basic templates, but don't know how to lik them to Html?
*link

http://reisio.com/examples/flash/

thanks, reisio.

note the redundant referring to the .swf file

I am checking.
ok, i will check it.

and you should probably use width="foo" height="foo" instead of style

ok.
Oh, ok it is same as embeding some flash objects, in html.

Hola.

hrmm?

I got it. Thanks again.

'lo tower
wait

kk.

I get psycho sometimes.

oh _link_

Yeah, i checked it.

like a button link to a specific URI?

Does HTML have a way to do lists other than unordered and listed? I mean... sometimes you wanna do lists like A), B), C)...

Like embeding some lame objects in myspace. :P

oh, okay yeah you should be good with that code

Where each list item is an alternative.

nope. :P Just ok.

there is a type attribute, and CSS has list-style(-type)

blabla/li...?

http://w3.org/TR/html401/index/attributes.html

`css list-style-type

css list-style-type: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#propdef-list-style-type

http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/propidx.html

upper-latin or upper-alpha

reisio, bbl, thanks, curious to try what i was doing.
latger.
*later.

Why two different ones for the same thing?

why not?

Because... it's... silly?
Isn't it Microsoft's job to come up with a slightly similar synonym?
Maybe they foresaw this.

...
Microsoft only supports the -alpha's
fwiw

Well, that's good enough, because that's all I wanna use.
The other ones are silly.
But why two that do the same thing still?
"upper-latin" and "upper-alpha" apparently are identical.

you've never noticed anything else slightly illogical in HTML?

Yes. Every day.
But this takes the price.
Prize.

then don't ask silly questions

or OL? One of them is more correct, but I can't tell which.

After all, it's a... list of alternatives.
Not numbers.
But you apparently can use it with OL.
In fact, why is this in CSS anyway?
Shouldn't it be a whole different type of list?
unordered, ordered and alternatives.
AL.

upper-latin is better, as the internet _should_ be internationlized

A)

but it's not
it's very English-centric
and not just English, but en_US
so it's mostly academic

So is upper-alpha meaningful in ordered lists?
Not IMO.
And it's gonna be a nightmare to implement this in my user input system.

...
well CSS is not meaning, it's style

Exactly.
But this is a matter of meaning.

it's a stupid question :p

Maybe a bunch of linebreaks and manual A), B), C) etc. is good here?

doubt it

What is the alternative?
Faking a list to style as upper-latin?

or ul.

IMO it makes sense to do ulliA) Blabla/li.../ul.
What do you say about that?

it's just not important how you _style_ an _order_
the order is there because you use 'ol'

Correct semantic structure of a number of alternatives in A), B), C) format.

it's not a problem

Yes, it is.

nope
do you seriously not have anything better to do? :p

...

.se?
figures

This is one of the many important things I have to decide.
I think you're avoiding my question.
http://www.webmasterworld.com/google_adsense/3369853.htm
Check that out.
It shows what I mean.
That guy has a list of "options" in a "list".

I'm not avoiding your question
I've already said it's unimportant :p

So if it's unimportant, you're OK with it being a bunch of s and manual A), B), C)?

I'm okay with you doing that - I wouldn't in general do that personally

...
WHAT would you do, then?
Please stop being mute as a mussle.
What would you in general do personally in this case?

I generally use ol's for ordered lists

Of course.
But is this an ordered list?

A B C?

It's a bunch of alternatives, apparently not really in a list at all.

that's an ordered list

He's listing different approaches.
Not 1, 2, 3 steps.

who?

The guy I linked to...
http://www.webmasterworld.com/google_adsense/3369853.htm

where?

On that forum for Web masters which does not validate

oh you're just using his post as an example?

Yeah.

you want to know if nesting an ol for the a, b, c, etc. inside an ol for 1, 2, 3 etc. makes sense to me?

Well... I wanna know what you would do in this case.

I would use an ol with another ol inside the 1st li

Really?
Why?
How is that a nested list?

the a b c follow item 1, and precede item 2
they are part of the first item

Isn't this really just a plain unordered list, with fancy list-style?

possibly, I haven't read it

You still haven't checked out the page?!

some people do indeed list out their thoughts when they could just as easily just _fucking say them_ (paragraphs)
but that's their problem
I have, I'm not going to read it

Hrm.
Wanna talk URL schemes?

what about them?

Well...
There are many things to consider.
Let's first assume that we want pretty, rewritten URLs. No exposure to the underlying scripts or any query strings.

uhuh

It gets kind of messy when you want many variables in a URL.

not really

/search/foobar -- So far, pretty logical.

indeed

It is kind of implied that "foobar" is the search query.
Let's say there can be simple or advanced search.
/search/foobar/advanced -- ?

no

/search/foobar/type/advanced -- ?

/search/advanced/foobar

What about /advanced_search/foobar?

not a big fan of underscores, personally
it's a simple hierarchy issue

Hrm... arbitrary use for / seems... wrong.

advanced and simple are both searches, so they should go under search
what's arbitrary about it?

You get that I meant "search types", right? Not queries?

not sure it matters

Like /search?type=advanced&query=foobar. That would be the raw URL.
Google-like.
I find it difficult to come up with a good "hieracrchy".

/search/advanced/foobar

order_by.
/search/advanced/title/foobar?
Just by looking at that URL, you can't tell what title is supposed to mean. You can guess, though.

makes sense to me

And what if we have a whole bunch of booleans?
/search/advanced/title/0/0/1/0/1/1/1/0/foobar?
Just seems... unfriendly, somehow.

what're the booleans for?

Well, they could be for various options.

it's not as unfriendly as &foo=0&foo=1 etc.

Or perhaps tiny integers for some selects.

I wouldn't store options in a URI, that seems silly

Are you sure? At least with a querystring, you can see what they mean.
Why is that silly? You must be able to link to the search result.

you can't see what they mean any more than you can with a plain /foo/bar
you can even have /foo/bar=1/ if you really wanted
but like I said it's silly
I'd give the result a title or name

What do you say about having /nice/rewritten/URLs but mixing in /search?query=string&goes=here?

sounds like an oxymoron :p

Well... :/
So many god damn choices...
By "mixing in", I mean using the latter for parts of the site.
When there are many options etc.

consistency is good

Indeed.
Has nobody written an article about this?
I could find nothing on A List Apart.
What should I search for?
I need tons of information.

an article on what?

Preferarly by anal-retentive standards nazis.
An article on good URL schemes.

how much cocaine you must've snorted earlier? :p

I doubt you'll find much more than highly personalized blog entries

Well, /this/style/is_highly/random_as/well.

no it's not
stop misusing words :p

What word(s) did I misuse? :|

'random'
you apparently don't know what it means

Of course I do.

then you don't know what order is
because /this/style/is/a/hierarchy/.../which/is/innately/ordered

Hrm!
http://www.example.com/category/Web_design/article/How_to_use_the_blink_tag
Is this good or bad IYO?
The category part is of course completely redundant.

how's it redundant?

It's not actually part of a directory tree and not needed other than for possibly SEO and friendlier URLs.

no such thing as SEO
how is a category not hierarchical?
it is
not like it matters...
if you think something is redundant don't include it in an example :p

/thread/123/page/1 vs. /thread_123/page_1 vs. /thread/123/1 vs. /thread123_1 vs. /thread123/1.

just make some decisions, gebus

I cannot...
It must be based on a logical conclusion.

gebus? getElementByUnicodeSystem?

Noooo! It was in SSH to my server!
Any input on the URL scheme discussion?
Or rather endless blabber from me and complete non-caringness from reisio.

...
I'd go with the folders categorizing
unlesss the thread expected is very low
otherwise, you want to categorize them in an scalable way
/thread/123/1 works better, from folder /thread you can make other criteria or decisions on certain thread and/or certain post in it

Better than what?

then else

/ is good for "seperating"...
(Duh!)
If I go with /thread123..., that could duplicate.
Potentially.

sepArate

Right.

t00na wanted me to tell you that lasagna is good for you in copious amounts

so when _I_ exist in copious amounts, lasagna is good for me?

....

table vs div , which is better?

]table less @ DavidHKMrPowers

table less: http://xrl.us/jx7f , http://xrl.us/iawr

Hey, is it possible to make a single span tag, automatically make all text inside the tag, be put in a 1x1 table with a certain background color, give the text itself a certain color, and make it preformatted?

wtf for? :p

avoiding redundancy, I now always have to type the same bunch of tags around everything, can it be with 1 tag instead
is there by the way a way to make a span tag that automatically perforns C++ syntax highlighting to the text in it?

no-ish
There are javascript libraries that will do syntax highlighting based on the class of a tag

hmm, close enough

http://code.google.com/p/syntaxhighlighter/

digitok _ZofBot3 thanks

cool

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