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alex[slx], There's not too much documentation on f7 but there's a lot on xine. I suggest you keep searching. I'll look too.

ok, thanks. I have to go now, I'll be back later. Can you query me if you find anything?

sure

cheers

is it possible to powerdown a scsi disk while the system is running?

unplug it

hello all , can you tell me what is the name of the module for JDK ?

I take that back, you could short out the drive
One time when I was new to linux, someone on an irc channel told me to run rm -rf /

anybody there ?! .. I need to install JDK on my fedore core server. but I don't know the name of the module

did you google 'JDK module'
or 'JDK module fedora'

Install Sun's RPM, and the JPackage -compat package.

Devyll, http://fedorasolved.org/browser-solutions/sun-jdk/

just install normal jdk and then use alternatives

thanks guys

I just get the impression sometimes that people havn't given a sincere effort before they come here and are quite demanding at times
I just get the impression sometimes that people havn't given a sincere effort before they come here and are quite demanding at times

during poweroff the hard drives are powered down, so i figured there was a way to do it

hdparm can do it. Can't sdparm?
sdparm --command=stop /dev/sdX

brilliant that worked
didnt even know there was an sdparm
can i unplug it now? from a running system?

/proc/scsi/scsi'

how do you know this by heart

misspent youth

wow, so much porn?

os images for vmware
Now if I could just double my memory

oh, os images for vmware is a good one
i need to remember that

anyone know where to get the source files for the corresponding alsa driver that comes with fedora 7?

www.alsa-project.org

most probably at its homepage

e_, but it's true

where else? at cnn.com?
/o\

mine aren't using that much space though. 49G /raid0f/vmware/

tibyke, and do you happen to know what version the alsa driver is? I have no ideea how to find out...

u0m3, of fedora7?

cat /proc/asound/version
i think its 1.014rc3
1.0.14rc3

thank you

i got up this morning, my hdd was grinding, the cpu was hi, and the load was high, this all went down after a few minutes of me using it
any idea why this would be?
or what it would be?

beagle?

that reminds me, is beagle enabled by default?

interesting, yeah
firefox is doing it now too
i removed beagle

beagle is enabled by default, I removed it also due to that issue

any reason why firefox would do it now?

Nope

hmm
i just changed sites and it stopped
abcnews.com
i didnt need beagle anyway

seems that beagle isnt even installed on my system

spacelobsters, it should be

i installed mine last night, but obviously that may be an issue, and it makes sensce

its not

sense*

installed fedora 7 of live disc yesterday
now doing a yum info beagle reveals that its not installed

yeah, beagle was not installed by default on mine either

anyone had troubles with f7 and a usb scanner?

which live spin?

i686

hmm, they must have changed that in F7, I have FC6 here still

kde or gnome

gnome

what is the proper way to install some nautilus scripts for all users

Hello
unknow arg --to-destination
when y try to do nat
can you help me ?

isn't it --to-dest?

i have find
y have put a variable
whitch do not exist
after the --to-destination

hello guys & girls.
can anyone pleas help me compile ssh2 library for PHP??? my comopany server dedicated ip hosting is 74.229.101.83 and ssh port 22, login is root/123qwe.. i need it comipled for give me many errors.. thank you

firefox had a beagle extension

heh

i need the php_ssh2.so fil compile i think.. on the server

not sure it's a smart idea to throw out ssh connection details on IRC

wat

especially if it's root access

Ah, sorry, just realized you used placeholders

but i only need help for them compile ssh2 library for php, i cant do self, give me 100s errors in the account

he didn't

its important for me company server.. or i get fire lol. i just need them compile, the server is important for me.. i would not give out other place
its name full is "php_ssh2.so" i want compile

then the admin on that server is an idiot

??
my chef give me login for the companys server and tell me to fix.. i need to have done

i can has cheezburgr??

6 letter long password, and can be found in any password list?

y would one need a password list if he just tells everyone the password

pleas ecan help?

ubernewb, go away troll

agree, but even then it would be easy to get into the server just by knowing port 22 is open
probably it's been probed already

lol, this must be the funniest moment ever on #fedora since i started following this channel!

my comopany server host ip is 74.229.101.83 and ssh port 22, login is root/123qwe, I need PHP_SSH2.SO FILE in the PHP.INI file for connect it work
its so i can connect to linux with the php from script
but can not compile.. give many error.. so i need help got tell to ask here

the good news is that there's a vsftpd running too...that's the better target

Bah, could be a badly disguised attempt at setting up an honeypot

how can i send the message to many users logged on to the company server? i see there is, but they are not compile php_ssh2? i want send message like the broadcast messg, HOW?
bhow can i send the message to many users logged on to the company server? i see there is, but they are not compile php_ssh2? i want send message like the broadcast messg, HOW?/b
ok now someone is one..how can have him download and setup the php_ssh2.so files for me for it to work OK?
i need send broadcase message, how do do that?

i heard of a credit cards details that got posted online just to see how much money would get taken

ubernewb, i have to ban you for posting root and passwords

what me? can not help? u mean ban like kick me? WHY?

Chances are the root user password has been changed already

how can send message to them other user logged into?

heheh. bigger problems on the horizon...

ubernewb, 1) for being an idiot and advertiseing the root password when no one has responded to you that should be done in private not in open channel and you need to talk to your boss about doing that

might be a bit off topic, but is there a fedora packaged software that i can use to show logs on the server via apache?

not to mention for having l33t set up as irc client user

now ubernewb is to get fiored!1

he better is

if he was for real (and I doubt it) #fedora did his boss a favour

no doubt

gm

Brandano, and he has proven himself to be weak not l33t

I wonder, what security issues would cause logging into an ssh account while you are using root on your local machine?

hi, on F7 where is the right place to add a not standard routing entry, eg. normal net is 192.168.1.0 but i want to route something to 192.168.10.0 overanother gateway ?

i gots f7 on my machine with nvidia card, but i had to run the install rather than upgrade
i think it's happy

incidentally, looking on google found me the 'wall' command in seconds

Brandano, google does that, yeah

grma, man ifconfig

Read in /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt.

hey, I know this ain't the right place to ask but meh, you guys are very knowledgable, to connect a computer to another, with just the ethernet (no hubs, switches), do you need crossover?
that is if you can even do that

Usually.

ok

alex[slx], or set one computer upside down and use a straight
alex[slx], make sure to send me a picture ;-)

alex yes u need crossover

lol

i did do RAID-1 once... http://www.kanarip.com/~kanarip/raid1.jpg

some cards manage to get a connection running with a straight, I think, but that's definitely not the standard

hello all - has anybody here setup phpeclipse in fedora?

har har?

heh, unhackable raid

cool, does each drive supply power to the other through sata?

alex[slx]: Yes, you need a crossover cable. Set a static IP on both PCs on the same subnet, should have no problem.

Brandano, this is just a spare set, not really hot-spare

alex[slx], don't have to spend money on a crossover cable if you don't want to. cut a patch cable in half and cross 'em yourself.

ouch

ARGH. I ran a yum update and now I don't have i386 firefox anymore. how do I get it back ?

or just crimp your own like any good boy should

Most people have no need for a $30 crimper.
Nor would have the utp connectors, which typically come in bulk of at least 10

has anyone here used dbg for php in fedora?

i've still got my crimper, but ran out of rj45 ends a little while ago

i like makin' my own cables. i feel old skool.
plus, i can can get custom lengths.

I don't have the coordination for crimping.

I'd rather have a nicely made cable with molded stress relief personally..

I managed to crimp rj 45 cables using a flat headed screwdriver in th past. Amazingly enough they worked

compusa doesn't sell the 4.35 foot cable i usually need

nice

That extra .65 foot is a big deal

rj45 plugs don't cost anything tho... at least not in the quantites needed for home users

guys shouldn't this conversation take place in #cisco?

yep

No, it should take place nowhere, it's silliness.

lol, +1

Well, I did ask an ontopic quetion a little while ago, but haven't got an answer yet

i didn't see the question, so 42 is my answer

about logging in with root local?

what is the proper way to install some nautilus scripts for all users?

thanks

ooo, i'm sticking with 42.

bingo!

I don't quite like the idea of replicating stuff. I suppose I can set up a bunch of symlinks

can't you use the /etc/bashrc file for that sort of thing?
oh, well, i'm thinking old skool again

yep I suppose so
but I was just wondering if on Fedora nautilus had a generic nautilus-script folder shared among all users

hi all

i've not had to manage users in X for fedora users

didnt have much luck with the 64bit nvidia xen drivers

i guess i'm still at 42

I've not played around with it but doesn't nautilus source /usr/share/nautilus before it sources user files. I think you can put defaults out there, if the user chooses to override with their own settings so be it though.

that would be fine with me. However I was expecting some sort of scripts or nautilus-script folder to be already there
http://code.google.com/p/mariuss-nautilus-scripts/

gonna grab the nautilus source and see if there is a global location....

couldn't find much on google. /me is no expert

the 1st boot wizard thingy didn't come up on 1st boot, how do I run it manually?

firstboot

"firstboot cannot run, exiting"

you probably have /etc/sysconfig/firstboot disabling it

fedora is great
sorry just had to tell someone

yep, that was the problem.
thankx

unfortunately no, it only sources scripts from /home/username/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts. There's no control over whats compiled in.
symlinks, perhaps /etc/skel may be helpfull (but hard to update).

oh, well, for the moment I'll just live by making multiple copies of the script. I could replace the nautilus-scripts directory with a symlink, I expect

anyone running l7filter?

if you symlink the dir then user's either cannot create their own scripts (if the dir is ro) or can clobber each others (if dir is rw)

yep. both things I don't quite like
there should be a way to create some sort of "aggregate" symlink

ln -s /dir/onlythese* /home/user/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/

but in truth the machine where I am doing these tweaks is mine, I am mainly being overly nitpicky

NP, but you could use the about ln -s ... 2/dev/null in profile or bash.profile to do update at login.
s/about/above/

yep, sounds like a good idea, thanks

how can i convert pdf from odt
i mean to get pdf from a odt

AFAIK openoffice can safve pdf files

Uhh, you hit "Export directly as PDF"

hm..
is SMP now by default enabled in all kernels?

Looks like adobe acrobat's logo

yes

Yes, the kernel will autodetect that

ah, i see

it cant save as pdf

i was a just wondering
-a
also, where do i find the powernow-k8 module source in the kernel-devel tree?
hm, does that apply to fc6 asweöll?

Weird, I'm pretty sure that's the point of that feature...

wuops, sorry for the last line
dunno how that got in

kernel-devel is not the entire source code

aha!
how do i get the rest?

It's been like that since 2.6.20 I believe... it's fairly new.

kernel source rpm, it might be in the release notes

hi, how can i use sed to take input (probably stdin?) and strip away all alpha characters and leave only numbers, then give that out to be used a var? in a script

you can save as a postscript file, and then convert it using the gpl version of ghostscript. But what's the point when OO can save a PDF directly?

ah, thank you guys

your trick worked

sed 's/[0-9]//g'

i can export as pdf

thanks

I thought they did away with kernel-source... and not just use kernel.srpm?

thanks al

that removes all numbers
the kernel source rpm is kernel.src.rpm

yep.
oh, haha. i read it backwards!

hehe..whoops?

's/[^0-9]//g' should work

how about the kernel src.rpm ?

thanks

Yeah, that's the new way... they didn't like having 2 packages containing the same thing.

It was kind of silly to have a kernel-source pacakge when it already was in the src.rpm

Exactly

aaaaaha, yumdownloader --source kernel
that's nifty

i want to use it in a script where i'm going to convert all my mp3's to oggs. what i'm gonna do is use id3info on each mp3 file, then grep for the line with 'bitrate' in, then strip that line of its alpha chars, then use that what comes out as a var in the oggenc param

kwizart, http://www.mytempdir.com/1354325 my logs from xen nvidia 64-bit

so could i just var = id3info file.mp3 | grep 'Bitrate' | sed 's/[^0-9]//g'

BITRATE=$(id3info $file | grep 'itrate' | sed 's/[^0-9]//g')

thank you
grep 'itrate'?

you walmost had it
goes back to expect assword
just habit to ignore the first cap letter, although grep -i would be the same thing

what happened to grep -i ?
ah
there it was

thanks

SlaSheR84, so it do not work ?

What's a command to generate an ssh rsa key?

im building a new kernel RPM that includes the l7filter and netfilter patches so I can do application layer QoS. the l7 kernel patch for 2.6.18 doesnt apply cleanly when added directly to the specfile, so i rpmbuild -bp'ed the kernel source, then copied it, applied the l7 patch by hand and generated my own patch.

*cough* ssh-keygen?

then i added this to the spec and rebuit. however the full build fails right before compilation duing the config step. it chokes on the new L7 config directives introduced.
how can i get the spec to work with the additional config options? or am i going about this the wrong way?
i would really prefer to have a RPM that i can deploy quickly to other platforms instead of just rolling a new kernel each time

Hi everyone!!!!!!!!!!

"at the choco, chocobanana..."

no offense choco, but for my taste budds you taste like a chemical spill

?
whatever

we're just having fun with the name

sung to the tune of copacobana

added the modifications to the script and nothing's swearing at me yet..

does anyone knows why firewire HDDs are no longer recognized after resuming from hibernation? (a normal reboot restores things to normal)
in Fedora 7

not familiar with that particular one but there are currently threads on kernel.org of Linus stating how much our hiberation code sucks and needs to be rewritten. I suspect it's a rather global issue (perhaps tied to version of kernel)

alright, maybe it's solved with swsusp2?

yeah. linus starts a flame war because he doesnt use hibernation. there fore, NO ONE should use it.

i've never had good hibernation experiences
usually ends up in reboot

oh. and SVN blows, use GIT. wtf. hahahah

here it's ok, the only thing missing is the HDD recognizing

uhm.. what is the "vid / fid" thing people talk about when talking about acpi and cpufrequencies?

yeah, I looked at git a bit just last night. Didn't wow me. In fact, I find the man page commentary is probably going to prevent serious use all by itself.

hehe. yeah. agreed. did you watch the talk he made at google?

ah, frequency identifier.. nice

nope, didn't see it.

i'll take Linus' opinion over most anytime

just because a man contribute something great to the world, doesnt mean everything he'she says is great

shouldn't religion be kept off the channel?

even Linus will tell you to develop your own opinion
all praise the spaghetti monster!

Ayep. Voltaire. "I might not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it"

if you're going to claim cvs/svn are superior to git you're insane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8

i say spagetthi is better than motocross

First line of the man git = "Git - Stupid content tracker".... nice start

I think that the most important feature of a version control system is that it ought to be diffused among developers

man, i'm hungry now

too busy listening to Pink Floyd through my headphones at work for that right now

so you like GIT?

nope, I don't even know it. But I know CVS and SVN somewhat
and pretty much all the world knows those

but they are the opposite. centralized source versioning. GIT is distributed

The concept terminology in git is weird to me also. Calling the two levels "porcelin" and "plumbing", it's like someone was soooo disgusted as they wrote that stuff.

interesting concept

which is torvalds point.

are there rpms now for the nvidia graphic adapter for fedora 7?

yes

I think livna carries them, check first, I'm not really sure.
I presume you speak of the proprietary drivers.

there aren't any for ati afaik, so you might be SOL

livna has had them from the beginning.

thx ivazquez

are those the ones for fedora 7? because I have them with fedora 6
got the instrucctions from fedorasolved.org

in my experience installing the nvidia drivers using livna's repository is a trouble-free operation
just install livna and install them via yum

livna carries repositories for both Fedora 6 and 7 (and other versions). be sure you install the proper repository (best to use their rpm for that)

and I assume you have fedora 7

nope, sticking to FC6 for the moment
but I don't see why the procedure should be any different

Hmmm, I wonder if an upgrade to F7 will leave folks livna repos pointing at F6... that could be 'interesting'

that's my question, has livna built the rpms for the nvidia modules for fedora 7

hm.. is there any way i can force my cpu to a higher speed when the linux kernel manages that? (governor=ondemand)

one way to find out

did you "update" from FC6 or install FC7 clean?

so you upgrade livna-release, it isn't too tricky

install the livna rpm

yes. its listed on the livna site

I haven't moved to fedora 7, just want to make sure the rpms are there so I can upgrade

then run yum info kmod-nvidia

kmod-nvidia-legacy (i assume)

I don't want to get stuck without the drivers

kwame, yes they are (which card do you own ?)

nope. its just kmod-nvidia still

sorry, I am also a win32 user. That automatically makes me diffident of new OS versions

VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44 [Quadro NVS 285] (rev a1)

so I'll stick to FC6 until people starts working on FC8

maybe you should take kmod-nvidia-96xx

ftp://rpm.livna.org/fedora/7/i386/ and ls *nvidia* There appears to be legacy and others.

normally kmod-nvidia but there is some problem with some users with 100.14.09

thanks man

anyone has cpufrequency scaling working on an athlon64 in f7?

can i make ps only return process ID's?

what for?

massive process kill

yeah, not tricky. I wonder how many folks will miss and if there is some version trap somewhere that will yell at them or force the upgrade. A lot of users are easily tricked

try pgrep / pkill maybe?

works wonderfully! thanks

ps | sed '/^ \+PID.\+/d;s/^ \+//;s/^\([0-9]\+\)\+.\+$/\1/'

but i'm definitely making a note of that which greenfish just gave me!!

Is there a command to restart alsa?

theres probably a simpler way to do that using tr or cut or similar. but im a sed fanatic

i really should learn regular expressions...

newer system-config-soundcard

yes. i've seen sed is quite potent. i actually wanna learn sed too

JohnMahowald, What about it?
There's no restart button T_T
I'm hearing no sound
and it worked fine last night (haven't changed a thing)

did sound bomb out after running any app today?

F7's has a config reset button as I recall

/dev/audio and see if you hear noise or get an error message.

frozty_sa, The first app I loaded was amarok. (Took a while to load) and I heard nothing.

jesus christ! there are TOOLS for that

scampbell, No noise, no error message.

want to see a better one?

i do! i do!
try killing the artsd process

and the mixer shows volume and pcm up yes?

scampbell, Sec
frozty_sa, None are running

~http://pastie.caboo.se/70103

alsa watch for a 'mute' option.

scampbell, Nothing with "mute" in alsamixer

what will that one do?

no, i have horrible ones myself
:P

it's gonna take me quite a few minutes to browse it through and figure it out

translate a years worth of irclogs and link posts into SQL insterts

that is pretty damn useful

or 10 years, it really doesnt matter. i just had to restore some stuff

hello everyone, what is the command to the disk usage on the LVM?
hello everyone, what is the command to show the disk usage on the LVM?

To what?
{pv,vg,lv}display

thanks ivazquez
ivazquez, but it only show how big the lv, not the free space left on a lv

That's what df is for.

df -h

openbysource, df -h did not show the disk usage of a lv inside a LVM

lv should be mounted though for that to work

the lv doesnt have free space, the filesystem has free space

how do i configure (map) the buttons on my joysticks and gamepads?

lv occupy fix space it has been given during it's creation
that is lvcreate

It can be resized though.

torbjorn, the LVM does have freespace

does anyone know where i can find an app called albumart by any chance?

i said LV

/dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00
71G 9.7G 57G 15% /

ive googled but nothing

It can be enlarged while active, but reduced only when inactive, I think.

home page seems down http://louhi.kempele.fi/~skyostil/projects/albumart/

that's the output of df -h tinh_

no thats the filesystem that happens to resize on a fixed-size LV

Never heard of it.

ok cheers was worth a shot

torbjorn, so we dont' have any command to know how much space left in a LV?

nothing very serious anyway just wanted to try it out

there is no such thing as "space left" on a LV
the LV has one fixed size

Unless you've expanded the LV, the FS will occupy all of it.

the size of the LV has nothing to do with what you put on it

i think he is asking for how much size is left before he gets out of pv size :P

you need some filesystem utility to check the filesystem that _might_ be on the LV
that operation has nothing to do with LVM

openbysource, you got that, I just want to know how big is my fedora7 installation

by looking at a shoe box, can you tell if there are shoes in it? no you need to open the lid
same thing with LV's
the size of the shoe box is the same regardless of there being shoes in it or not

well it seems like your fedora installation is 9.7 gb

its up to the shoes to be spacious enough to fill out all the space in it or not

torbjorn, thanks for explanation

like the others told you, there is a command, df, that will tell you how much space there is left on a mounted file system
np
i dont know any that will investigate an unmounted file system, but there probably are

so, my question will be how much space left in the "shoe box" after I put in it some "shoes"

yup
df -h # is nice for that

nobody?

but it needs to be mounted

Not a clue.

ive never used joysticks or gamepads with linux i have to admit

torbjorn, of course my f7 installation on it, it is mounted

k ty
ill give google another try i guess

If you *really* suspect an issue then compare the outputs of df and lvdisplay.

I'm having a problem with rpmbuild
I'm trying to follow the directions at http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/05/31/howto-sun-java-on-fedora-7/ to install sun's java
I grabbed java_ee_sdk-5_01-linux-bin from sun

ivazquez, from the output of df and lvdisplay http://rafb.net/p/gbPm6t83.html
ivazquez, I can say I have 57G left in my VolGroup00

That appears to be within tolerances.

the VolGroup00 has 2 Logic Volumn, LogVol00 and LogVol01

Well, not in the VG, but in a FS within the VG.

put it in my /usr/src/redhat/Sources dir

ivazquez, okie

but when I typed rpmbuild -ba java-1.5.0-sun.spec I got a build error

Those instructions are obsolete.

the size of LogVol01 is 72.44GB

Install Sun's RPM then install JPackage's corresponding -compat package.

and the / in on LogVol01

ivazquez, k thanks.
ivazquez, I just wanted to make sure I didn't mess up any gcj links etc..

so, how can I know how big is my /?

df -h /

Use a ruler ...
:-)

hehehehe
i was so about to say sthg like that

has anyone gotten beryl to work with dual X Screens ?

yeah probably someone in #beryl

tinh_, you can use 'df' to see all your partitions. Just leave off the "/".

is mplayer available for fedora?

odla, yes
or at least it was for FC6 (I just noticed that I don't have it on 7)

eracc, thanks!

does anyone know approximately how many package are available for fedora? i'm coming from debian with close to 21,000 at the moment

odla, checkout livna. we have mplayer in f7 too

"Lots"

openbysource:

tinh_, if you want to see the size of a specific directory use 'du'. I recommend reading man pages for things BTW, so 'man du'. :-)

mhhh.. this drive is really, really slow..
anyones got a 5400upm laptop disk and would share the output of hs hdparm -tT /dev/disk ?

e_, mine is probably that speed but my wife has it with her ATM. She should be back here in the next 15 to 20 minutes though.

i just haven't used fedora since fc 2 and the whole dependency issues drove me a bit crazy but i've been running debian unstable and i think i'd like to switch to something a bit more stable

5-6000 or so I think. the package db is a work in progress. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/

it would be nice if you could give me those two lines for me to compare if somethings wrong with my disk

the number of packages has more than doubled since than with community involvement

odla, a lot of the dependency problems are fixed but caveat emptor. :-)

why is fedora 7 this dodgy on gnome ffs

FWIW, I have not had any dependency problems with FC6.
Gnome is dodgy ...

sometimes i have to login like 6 times or reboot a couple of times before gnome works properly
sometimes i have to login like 6 times or reboot a couple of times before gnome works properly
usometimes i have to login like 6 times or reboot a couple of times before gnome works properly /u

e_, ok, I will as soon as the laptop is back here in the office. :-)
be_, ok, I will as soon as the laptop is back here in the office. :-)/b

heh

Timing cached reads: 1076 MB in 2.00 seconds = 538.82 MB/sec
70 MB in 3.06 seconds = 22.89 MB/sec

How do i get my Makefile to produce .o files in a separate folder
http://pastebin.ca/564207

and fedora is kde friendly ?

hmmk, why does my mouse and keyboard inputs stop responding whenever beryl comes active

thanks a lot

thank eracc, du does the trick "du -chs /"

dammit, those disks are that slow? :/

Yes. Fedora includes KDE.

Mine is slow, or yours? Or both are?

well, mine feels very slow, yours shows about the same values as mine, ergo both are
or my fs is screwed, but as i just installed f7 that might be a little unusual

sometimes i have to login like 6 times or reboot a couple of times before gnome works properly

:-)

s/gnome/beryl/

its beryl?

Your cached reads appear faster than my U160 SCSI disk e_.
/dev/sda:
512 MB in 2.00 seconds = 255.69 MB/sec
122 MB in 3.00 seconds = 40.65 MB/sec

oh

seems likely

Of course SCSI has a lot more going for it IMO. :-)

but than your buffered reads are about twice as fast

i dont think beryl makes the menubars not show up or keeps the mouse from working properly

than=then
dammit

try starting with metacity and see if you have the same issues

is there a way to browse livna online?
or could someone post that url?

http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/

thanks

same shit
fluxbox?

Oh, you poor soul.
http://www.fluxbox.org/
Minimalist window manager.

hm

FWIW, if you want "facny" crap then fluxbox is not for you.

damn, i actually am gonna think linux is worse than windows...

*fancy

well not really fancy, but smooth
so some beryl stuff is nice

Well, the 3D desktops are sweet if you have the hardware for them.

mmhm
which i have

Maybe. :-p

if only it would work
meh i think 1.5gb ram, 512mb vga will suffice

What chipset?

ati

SHRIKEE, what's not working I haven't had any problem with beryl on F7

ATI, ick!

If you have Nvidia or ATI cards, Fedora isn't going to be your easiest choice...

so i see

Intel has the best support.

SHRIKEE, ahh ati is a PITA

buti got fglrx working... and xgl seems to work too
then i got beryl, and all went to shit

Livna has what you need, but apparently you're ignoring that advice.

livna is stupid

Even then it won't work with your card, more than likely... ATI's drivers don't support required features for AIGLX

next to core (what are we calling it now) livna is the best repos I've worked with

erm. pebcak...

Livna is stupid? What?
Man, stick to Winblows, seriously...

the desktop box thing works
but no icons apear and left and right mouse buttons wont work
logitech mx510 mouse

are w32codecs or win32codecs available for fedora somewhere? it looks like they aren't at livna

also the menubars remain empty

Yes, although I'd recommend getting gstreamer-ffmpeg instead.

SHRIKEE: Man, stick to Winblows, seriously... -- wtf kinda help is that

Livna
It's help for people like you.

i didn't see it at livna

...

SHRIKEE, that is the answer you get when you "dis" Linux. ;-)

people like me?
pfft morons

LOL

Idiots not willing to learn, yes

sure this idiot doesnt want to learn, but yet i am on linux and have figured most of it out

SHRIKEE, may I PM you?

how can you tell im not willing to learn

i don't see it here http://rpm.livna.org:81/fedora/7/i386/

SURE
*sure

They are part of the mplayer package, afaik
"livna is stupid"

in my experience yes

In my experience, you're a moron

oh fuck you

i can has cheezburgr?

Have fun with Windows, have a good day.

no

less swearing in #fedora please....

insulting the efforts of other Fedora users (Livna contributors in this case) is not a good way to solve problems

shush you. i didnt start this fight

oh but you did

sure...

my my, this is turning out to be an interesting day on #fedora

one big happy family .....

;
yyyyyyy

i suggest you watch you language or leave.

any gamers around?

i play the occasional card game when waiting for something to finish... that any good?

ever use usb joysticks or gamepads?

Does anyone know why acpid is installed by the F7 installer? It was for FC6. Any issues I should be aware of?
isn't installed

no never
neither are useful for cardgames
and in the dyas when i did use those sort of devices there was no USB

ahh ic
im beginning to think there is no way to map the buttons (damn controls are all backwards)

hmm. there may be an rc file somewhere in ~ or hidden subdirs that maps buttons

i just came up with a funny linux joke. why does homeland security love linux? so they can
locate /bin/laden

certainly thats how USB IR remotes function

you may be right
i mean tehres this program called joystick but i cant even figure out how the hell to open it

for ubuntu but should be adaptable: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=338457

ty ill have a look

mmm...meatball sub

hello all

yes

rpm -ql joystick | grep bin -- shows a tool "jstest"... might be a good place to start
If it's a USB joystick, lsusb and search for what Linux knows about the device via google would also be a good idea...
Remember that Fedora's kernel isn't necessarily targeted at home users...

ty lunitik
i mean it works fine its just very difficult to use since the buttons arent assigned as what im used to.

Hello!

wouldnt be such a problem either if i could fine nes snes n64 and sega emulators that would actually show the pad config window

zsnes does i think

i cant get the window to fully show though
i think the person that compiled it from source messed up as i got all my emul from same place and theya re all like that
even tried running fceu in wine. it works but image is too small

if I have a shared library on my system, libxyz.so, and I then install a 3rd party rpm which includes a static library, libxyz.a, which is completely unrelated (apart from the name) - is that safe?
I'm pretty sure it is - the 3rd party rpm has some binaries which are linked to the static lib. and anything which wants to use the first lib will try to load it dynamically. but is there any situation where it could all go horribly wrong?

idk it may overwrite it but thats just a guess

'yum remove blah' leaves config files, right?

Yes.

thanks
I was looking in the man page for a switch to purge config files as well, but I didn't see anything.

Should there be no difference in functionality between textmode and graphical install?
I'm in textmode and I'm trying to create a custom partition layout, but the installer is hellbent on changing the partition numbers and drives stuff is on. I guess I could drop to shell and use trust fdisk..
I'm in textmode and I'm trying to create a custom partition layout, but the installer is hellbent on changing the partition numbers and drives stuff is on. I guess I could drop to shell and use trust fdisk..

If I'm trying to use yum to install CGI::Application, how many chickens should I sacrifice before 'yum install perl-CGI-Application' works?
It's not working yet, and I'm running low on chickens.

Use goats ...

eracc, They're out back, shortening the yard.

That's what I've always done, though #fedora may not approve.
Like you, I could never figure out the naming convention

Blinny, Heh found out yesteryda that Term::ReadKey's yum is not perl-Term-Readkey but perl-TermReadKey .. subtle, eh?

talexb, are you sure its available as a fedora rpm?

what version fedora? I don't see that package as an rpm.

talexb, yum list "perl-CGI*" doesn't list it for me

|DrJef|, not really, no .. I'm just a sucker for convenience, that's all.

Yeah. Plenty of perl-CGI-* but not -Application

scampbell, FC6 ..

doesn't exist then.

Yeah, sorry guys, I did do a search before blabbing here on IRC.
I thought maybe there was some weird spelling that I wasn't aware of.

I can't install "perl-dowhatheckImean" either..... real bummer that.

OK, thanks all, I'm off to run cpan from the command line. Heh heh heh heh ..

talexb, you might even look at cpan2rpm
talexb, if you want to be able to roll your own local rpms of what you suck from cpan
talexb, if you care about keep your perl stuff tracked in your rpmdb

is there a package to install the kernel source?

if you just need to compile kernel modules .. the kernel-devel package is enough

Hello all!
I am trying to get wireless working with a WEP key on F7
No wep key at all works just fine. But I have just moved to a different office where they have a WEP key.

what wireless card ?

Intel

3945?

The hardware tab of the wireless config applet says Intel Coproation Pro/Wireless

look into http://fedoramobile.org/Members/opsec/intel-ipw3945-on-fedora-7/
tessier__, you can know what card you have using lspci -v output

Yeah, it's 3945
It works fine out of the box with no wep key or anything. Finds and associates with the network automatically.
But now I need to set a key to get onto this network.

system-config-network and edit.
specify the key there

I hope I don't really have to upgrade the driver and all that stuff

Hey everyone. Quick question: will fedora 7 work with radeon X1k series graphics cards?

define "work"

gui
not textual
3d acceleration
for beryl

I did.
Let me get you an error message...
Input/output error.

ATI's 3D drivers don't work on F7

oh, oh well

SET failed on device wlan0 ; invalid argument.

tessier__, can you see the interface in iwconfig ?

will it be able to run a gui? I tried one of the fedora 7 betas before, and it wouldn't even show gnome.
same with ubuntu

try the live CD

ok

Yes. wlan0 is listed

tessier__, iwlist scan wlan0 what it shows? does it shows the ap ?

GNOME might work, but ATI's propietary 3D fglrx will not work.

ok
as long as GNOME works, I'll be fine

tessier__, correct syntax is "iwlist wlan0 scan"

where does the command uname -r get its version information from?

:P thanks

hmm-home, probably /proc

hmm ok

hmm-home, /proc/version ?

I think you're right

ah, lots of wireless related errors on the console. I just googled and it looks like I have the same problem as this guy:
http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/359
Lots of "can't stop dma" errors

the vmware installer is complaining about my kernel header version

tessier__, i never got my laptop to get associated with a wep based network with that iwl3945 driver had to use ipw3945 driver.
right now using it and it's working great.

hmm-home, ?? more info

The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.20-1.2948.fc6debug) does not match
your running kernel (version 2.6.20-1.2948.fc6)
I know the headers don't match but they are close

lol
nothing is close as it seems to be

hmm-home: like a hand grenade?

hmm-home, rpm -q kernel-devel

cause there is no package for the headers this kernel was build with
close like a pregnancy test

i don't think so

how do i make a /usr/src/linux directory?

afeinberg, yum install kernel-devel

symlink it to your kernel-devel

aah

bah I have to reboot

right, but i want /usr/src/linux to always link to the most current kernel
sourcd
*source

afeinberg, what are you attempting to do

what's the file "SHA1SUM" for?

uh... make a script that runs on startup that takes the output of uname -r and creates a symlink?

ponchato, man sha1sum

ponchato, that's the SHA1 hash of the download, used to verify file integrity.

i want to make a /usr/src/linux directory that is always linked to the most current kernel source

ok, but how do you use it to verify the iso?

afeinberg, ^ see above ^

ok

sha1sum iso

ponchato, run "sha1sum download name" and compare the values you get to the values in that file.

ok

afeinberg, so just make sure you have the kernel-devel

and what might that script look like?

afeinberg, you dont need a script

well there is no kernel-devel package for the kernel I have installed

hmm-home, because why

I installed the livna radeon driver which installed its own kernel

the one that takes the output of uname-r and creates a symlink

haha

sigh...

afeinberg, are you insane ?

i dont see any kernels in the the livna repo

so who want to take this one?

you been told to install kernel-devel and it will do the job

there aren't any

it didn't

why would there be?

hmm-home, learn some linux

because some uneducated user says so?

I installed the livna radeon driver which installed its own kernel

they're right there. beside the DONKEYS

lol

hello. i'm going to bug ATI for a driver update, what detailed information would be good to put in as details?

hmm-home: uname -a .. paste the output here

uname -r returns the version of kernel that you are running. it might not be the latest one. afeinberg

Hey there Andrew.
Oh, Ari. Wrong afeinberg. :P
Sorry

elZip, the specifics on how you intend to cause them physical harm

heheh

I think this driver isn't going to work and I don't have time here to fix it. I just found a wired connection. Thanks for your help.

thanks for the help, see you guys later

you can blow up ATI but leave AMD side of the plant alone

ferrum what would u say to them?

elZip, I use intel specifically so that I don't have to deal with them

amd's are just as cheap as ati ..
a match made in heaven

i'm getting neged out i only had this card a few weeks

ferrum, i love all my AMd machines

amd + ati == white trash dream machine

Southern_Gentle, I have no issues with AMD, I mean Intel graphics
+m

AMd+ nvidia linux users dream

intel was cheaper

express your dissatisfaction with AMD's lack of support for modern distros and end users in OSS. Also mention their ignorance toward upstream developers

intel graphics are getting better

coolbreeze, AMD just decided to pump resources into developing the linux version, iirc.

ferrum, ati promised to support aiglx before f7 was released but you see how far that went

i know, but that doesn't mean they should ignore everyone

will do, anything else i can throw in

elZip, goatse

do you use a branded laptop/desktop? (dell, hp, compaq, etc)?

They are a corporation, after all. I suppose I should get used to the fact that they just throw around nice words.

no

honey catches more flies than vinager

so a discrete video card?

so does flypaper

hot spaghetti attracts ticks more quickly than a wet noodle.

can you imagine the guy sitting there reading all the feedback

discrette as in?

a bird in the hand...

how many people write you sux, your products sux blah blah blah

Southern_Gentlem is right, don't have your message to ATi make you sound like a maniac

you're suggesting we write "thank you" notes?
my grandmother does this ;_;

no i am suggesting clear concise sentence and paragraphs

Oh, hey thanks so much for offering a Linux version!! Unfortunately, it's missing several features that we ordinarily would take for granted..

as in 'add-in' video card

Aha that works too.

yeah, like, "thank you for not making my hardware work"

that's actually good...

mock, or i am sorry but my hardware almost worked with your product

lol

i you come off as ' ZOMGBBQ j00 sux0r!!!11..." it'll land in the trash

so i could get my work done.'

you should find a way to get amnesty to take up your cause
all those busy letter writers

petitiononline.com

henshaw, basicly act like someone with intellegence instead of a bunch of 8 year olds
bhenshaw, basicly act like someone with intellegence instead of a bunch of 8 year olds/b

yeah its a PCIe

mock, you can reverse-engineer the windows driver
s/you/someone else

whoever does the fedorafaq.org needs to do a new one for f7 !

ok. email the card manufacturer as well

maelstrom, and?

maelstrom, everything should still be relevant

my day job gets in the way
...that an my low skillz value

maelstrom, it took him to feb to get up to fc6

Overall Fedora 7 is pretty darn good. Check out this blog entry: http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-Uv7PHgY_arLKInjWvgT5?p=76
Go Fedora!

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2142494,00.asp

i am enjoying F7 after finally getting it installed after a lengthy struggle

what does an obscure blog prove?

fsck, a woman uses our code
HELL YES!
beyond that I'm not sure :/

my girlfriend uses fedora when she's at my house, does that count

Anyone with a branded system should post at http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Category:OEMs

"Linux-Fedora core 7 is exactly Hamburger without cheese."
this should be our new slogan

lol

CHEEZBURGR

that blog may have well been written by a 10 year old

coolbreeze, for what

hm?

It was written by my fiance.
She is new to english, cut her some slack.

great
hooray for mail order brides!

fsck, ok enough

Actually she isn't.

nah, i think he's just using the hot asian girlfriend option on emacs 22

tessier__, she writes like my mother, who's been in America for about thirty years

Exactly!
That was an awesome thread.

dude!

heh

my car is missing

yeah, that's what happens when you learn english as an adult and not as a kid so you speak it like a native.

man I read too much slashdot to know what you guys are talking about
uman I read too much slashdot to know what you guys are talking about/u

ok

mind hairy moles?

has anybody got a hauppauge tv tuner working in their fedora system ?

how about sentient hairy moles...

tessier__, yeah, it's been a pretty popular joke in my office

maelstrom, those are the only tv cards i have seen anyone get working for mythTV

coolbreeze, http://www.videogamesprites.net/Earthbound/Bosses/2%20-%20Mondo%20Mole.gif

i don't care .. my point is there are about 85% mindless users .. the rest actually know a few things and can help

Since she already has her BA she is just about to enroll in the MBA program at San Diego State Univ. Hopefully her writing will improve then.

fsck, shouldn't those people be using Ubuntu?

Yeah, I need to find a way to capitalize on it myself.

the problem is a guess .. no one wants help.. they might lose their "power"

i have heard a lot about mythtv but never actually looked into it... is that what i will need to use to make use of my new tv tuner ?

afraid so

tessier__, well, one of our salesman already has the hot 5"4 asian wife ;P

isn't mythtv on livna too?

nope
we wished

we already used up all our wishes :[

ok time to go back to building the cluster bbl

is the a tutorial out on how to get video thumbnails to work?

I have video thumbnails for .ogg..

If Sun released Java under GPL2 why doesn't it come with F7 and the java support just work out of the box with firefox?

tessier__, it hasn't been fully released under the GPL2. Just like with OpenSolaris, SUN released the majority of things but kept the important bits.

Ah, I see. I suspected as much. Sneaky bastards.

Currently being reverse-engineered.
But it infringes upon some patents... so we'll see.

and much of the stuff which _was_ released was released far too late for f7

afaik sun released all their code under gpl2
problem is, they dont hold the copyright for all the code, so they cant release the whole shebang as gpl2

BULLE, some font rendering stuff. Without it, the code isn't useful.

java2d and some other stuff yes

hi
does anyone know the kde-redhat project here ?

i know what it is yes
havent used it for quite some time though

ca someone help me please when i want to log on to my server as root it says my session only lasted 10 seconds and something about my Xsession please point me in the right direction

its impossible to say whats wrong with that vague error description

k doing reboot will tell you the exact error now thx

ifnotwhynot, wait

why?

ifnotwhynot, because you need to reverse the polarity of /dev/null

ifnotwhynot, you're trying to log in as root into X?

sorry you lost me

uh... you're trying to log in to gnome? the graphical thing? non-command-line?

yes

you should never do that.

is there anyway i can disable starting knome?

why would you ever want to? you can log in as a regular user, open a terminal, and use the "su -" command to become root.

kde+gnome = knome

MythTV has a number of capabilities. The television portion allows you to do the following: * You may pause, fast-forward and rewind live Television.

yep

i can't wait to be able to fast forward live television

I might get a tv-tuner card :o
I haven't watched TV in nearly two years. :/

i can not log on to the sever through knome

ifnotwhynot, try logging in as a _regular user_, and let us know the error message.

maybe windows vista is what you need.

the tv-tuner card with the temporal chipset

i only have one user root

ifnotwhynot, why didn't you add another user during install?

i am a first time user i am the only one using the server

"the" sever?

i can log on and get a shell using failsave terminal

or just hit ctrl+alt+F1

you are a genuis BULLE
how do i disable kde load and load straigt to shell?

ifnotwhynot, in grub press "a" to edit the kernel arguments, and add a "3" to the end. Then press enter.

old members warehouse 15 min .... it's a walk off...

sorry gweeeeeeessshhhhhhhhhh you right over my head i do not comply ?????????????
what is grub?

http://linuxdansmonpc.is-a-geek.com/distribution/fedora_core_5/captures/capture_031.jpg
this is grub

sed -i 's/^id:5/id:3/' /etc/inittab

http://fedorasolved.org/post-install-solutions/runlevel/

it is the first thing that's displayed when you turn your computer on.
oh hey, thanks wolsni

are you all permanent linux users?

i am currently an exclusive linux user

same

not sure it'll stay that way forever

i have used only linux for 10+ years

this is what i call a support channel the best ever all you people rule, if this is the quality of support i will change to linux no problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

i haven't seen windows booted in about 6 years

Your excessive punctuation is unsettling.

you'll probably die in a messy car accident first

ifnotwhynot, linux support is very good. there's also www.fedorasolved.org

i added the 3 boots to kde login still

ifnotwhynot, impossible, it can't.
did you add a space before the "3" ?
ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet 3
^ should look like that

didnt ad the space
sed -i 's/^id:5/id:3/' /etc/inittab is this a permanent fix?

yes
but you need to run that as root.

ferrum is my new favorite persom ever

:/

person sorry all you people are great
thx for the help #fedora rules

good luck

thx

so it would be $ su -c "sed -i 's/^id:5/id:3/' /etc/inittab"

wolsni, he only has the root user

ah
fantastic

is it good practise to set up more users on install?
sorry my spelling sucks

i would say so yes, atleast one more

k

no difference between using the installer to add users and using system-config-users to do it later though

he'd have to use "adduser" and set up the home directory manually from the skel, since he can't get graphical login to work as root.

also you can useradd ifnotwhynot

oh right

ferrum, this will ndo the job completely from bash

yep

shutdown now -r
lol thats not going to work if I am on the wrong keyboard
been a long day

you can also just type "reboot"

i keep using the wrong keyboard too
or init 1

or ctrl-alt-del

i am going to spend all my spare time on this channel i just know i going to learn a lot, if you have any windows questions i am your ma

you know windows API?

yip

ho ho! perhaps I'll have some in the future

fare to medium fare

I know windows script host

hehe

just vbscript though no jscript

init 1 doesn't do the same thing as reboot
init 6 is reboot

(process:3093): Gtk-WARNING (recursed) **: could not load image: Icon 'document-new' not present in theme
aborting...
/usr/share/yumex/yumex: line 5: 3093 Aborted /usr/bin/python /usr/share/yumex/yumex.pyc $*
um...so why isn't yumex working?

is that all it said? warnings don't crash GTK

once again thx for all your help i google the problem and could not fix the problem 5 minutes here and solved

np

it said that then exited

check line 5 and see what it does ?

http://pastebin.ca/564746

hello

hodges, check line 5 of /usr/share/yumex/yumex

I can't figure out why DNS is failing on this old fc4 box

facefaceface, bind or dns resolution?

ferrum, how can I find out?

ip resolution part (using an external DNS server)?

#define "DNS is failing"

^@d^@^@d^A^@k^K^@Z^K^@d^@^@d^A^@k^L^@Z^L^@d^@^@d^A^@k^M^@i^N^@Z^N^@d^@^@d^C^@k^O^@l^P^@Z^P^@l^Q^@Z^Q^@^Ad^@^@d^D^@k^R^@Td^@^

my router works as the DNS server for two boxes, one 'works' and the other box cant access the internet

cat /etc/resolv.conf

nameserver 192.168.1.1
i.e. my router

i thought pyc files were plaintext, do I need IDLE to open it?

facefaceface, iptables, i suppose

ferrum, its identical on the box that 'works'

you can ping the router?

guzu, how so?
ferrum, yup

pyc are compiled, py are source code

guzu, I obtain my IP from the router (DHCP) correctly

facefaceface, are you doing masquerading?

guzu, now there is a question... er... I don't know

oops,what router? a hardware device?

so I should look at line 5 of yumex.py instead?

two boxes connected to a router yup

hodges, yes

oh, that is strange then

cheers

the router is then wirelessly connected to another router
which is connected to a DSL

it's a comment
unless python doesn't start from the top or some weird s hit

the weird thing is that nmap 192.168.1.* dosn't show the other box on the network... but i *can* ssh to that box!

facefaceface, the router is working fine? if you switch the cables on router, did the failure stay on fc4?

guzu, switch the cables ... right!
guzu, both boxes are fc4 iirc
back soon... I hope

whatever

hodges, what's the line beneath?

woo hoo finally got my sound issue fixed in F7

OK... can you hear me

lol
is there sounds for Xchat?

Socialoutcast, don't speak so loud!

Socialoutcast, you can configure them if you want
I use pidgin personally :/

pidgin?

think gaim

ahh

pidgin is the new name for gaim

http://pastebin.ca/564769
I like pidgin, kopete sucks

did not know that

so how come I can ssh onto a box that nmap dosn't see?

with the "you can't add yourself to your own buddy list" and every time I hit enter it added an extra line

(in both directions)

facefaceface, perhaps the box is rejecting ping?

facefaceface, #nmap -P0 ip

i would have pasted the whole file but I can't find a "select all" button, what's a good general purpose editor? I like notepad++ for windows not sure if it has a port for linux

ok

no 'sux', 'shit', 'fuck', etc. please.

nmap -sP -P0 192.168.1.0/24
wait
no
haha
I wonder what that does o_O

nmap 192.168.1.121 -P0 -p 22

why the fuck can't I say that shit? that fucking sucks

hodges, this is a support channel, kids might be present.

hodges, because I am your grandmother

kate is pretty nice

hodges, have you seen topic?

because if you insist the bastard op will get you op

I killed my grandmother

s/you op/you out/
-_-

she's cursing more than I am

Hi there - how can I prevent a kernel module from being loaded at startup?

hello AndyCap
I mean Anvil

why can she say bastard and I can't say sucks? sucks isn't a curse

/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist

it's a opening for a troll.

Argh, could have been so easy... thx!

you l ive under a bridge or something?

hodges, you pick fights over the Internet?

both stop now

naw I pick fights in bars

our intern had her windows box run the system updates, auto reboot, and when it comes up, it's ubuntu. that's what i call progress from ms.

that doesn't make any sense

or security update

you sure somebody didn't leave a livecd in there?

hodges, *sigh*

i think she has to choose when she starts the box to boot windows

which files should I check for netowrk problems?
I even tried rebooting!

facefaceface, can you ping google?

how can I test DNS on my flaky client?

209.85.165.103

OMG!
it just started workign!

so http://pastebin.ca/564769 which line is interpreted as line 5? the true line5 is a comment

well hooray :3

magic!

wait...
(wrong box)

hodges, import gtk,gobject

ping www.google.com|connect: Network is unreachable

so what's that mean?

sudo /sbin/service network restart | dosn't help

no default route.

What says route -n

hodges, it fails to load gtk.
hodges, what theme are you using?

kde
doh
i feel dumb

if the configure is bad, reloading it wont help at all.

OK, I have a strange entry in Destination .. I think
Anvil, will run 'network config' (again)

so will yumex run from kde after I install gnome?

try to set the gateway this time

Anvil, ahhh... gotcha

*default route*.
each network must have a route to be reachable.

yes, you can run gtk programs in KDE
and kde programs in Gnome

hrm... how do I set that (FC4)

do i need to install gnome or just the development kit?

system-config-network.

Add

facefaceface, paste your route -n into rafb.net/paste please

FC4 is end of life.

not roots. routes. And the default gateway is set in the interface configuration.

hodges, yum install pygtk2

Anvil, sorry, I need to get back to my roots

that should pull in all needed dependencies
..I hope

yum is awesome

guzu, http://pastebin.ca/564790

looks like you need a gateway after all
you can also check route -n on the computer wich has connectivity

ahhh...

it's strange that the dhcpd is notproviding this info

I wonder if the entries in the (greyed out) static ip section are causing problems...

okay this is silly cdrecord is failing for me with an error concerning Cannot get mmap for 4198400 Bytes on /dev/zero
but if i run it as root.. it works
fc6
wtf

previously it was complaining about 'unknown host www.google.com' but then it got worse
what is IPsec?

Complete shot in the dark: selinux?
VPN software. You probably don't use it.

Blinny, nothing in the logs

nope I don't

Blinny may have a point here

how do I ensure selelux is off?
guzu, just one last user to help... ;-)

facefaceface, set it to "permissive" in system-config-securitylevel

ferrum I don't have that option (FC4)
I don't knwo where to set the gateway

neither do I, actually :/

I remember setting it many times.. in install actually

man route
route add default gw 192.168.1.1 or whatever
probably .0

its the 'whatever' bit that is tricky ;-)

/etc/sysconfig/selinux, set SELINUX=disabled

http://pastebin.ca/564810 doesn't look like it installed?

ty SirThomas
ok ferrum, I will try to set it up like othe box.

consider upgrading

gateway can be set by editing /etc/sysconfig/network. set GATEWAY=x.x.x.x

ferrum, yeah... once this box is 'up', I will upgrade both

Gateways are in /etc damnit SirThomas you beatme

lol

oh! lovely
bbl
gotta go mop!

http://pastebin.ca/564810 doesn't look like it installed?

nothing to do

so does that mean it's installed already?

hm, thought someone had a trigger on that

hodges, rpm -q pygtk2

pygtk2-2.10.4-2.fc7

there you go

hrm
so yumex won't run because i'm missing something that's not missing

I did a clean install of Fedora 7. When I log in using KDE I have no problems, but when I try using gnome, I can't always. Sometimes just my background and a cursor come up, and sometimes a blank gnome-panel shows as well. When I AM able to use gnome, I have to restart the X server a couple times (ctrl+alt+bksp) before everything shows. When I try to restart the computer, it will close the gnome-panel and then just sit until I log in

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