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i have the tar file

hodges, just point and click, should be in your application menu

how are you sure they're on i386 ?

What video driver?

don't use tars

that's what it came as
.tar.gz

frozty_sa, gnome?

yup

well don't use them. try with yum first, always

you don't want to install that

fsck, Thanks.... :-D It worked... There was an 1.20.1-84.fc7

i'm using amarok to play music though

frozty_sa, maybe you should try KDE+artsd

don't want to install what?

nvidia originally, i thought that was the problem, but this is replicated with the nv driver as well (and nvidia kernel module unlaoded)

the tar.gz
bad idea.

ack. you got me on that one. Good call

i believe it doesn't matter what video driver

how nice do kde and gnome play these days? because at one stage...no likey....

k

I'm having difficulty with the livna-release-7 rpm in that apparently the baseurl is not present

Put the stack trace on http://www.rafb.net/paste .

frozty_sa, well they are are mutally exclusive, you can only use one DE at a time

just trying to get more familiar with linux

Of course it is. It uses a mirror list.

have you used yumex?

nope

if not, install it and start it up

fsck, you mean piruit, right... he'd have to yum yumex

that i know. but i meant in terms of config's and stuff

yum install yumex?

http://rafb.net/p/KiQ6Uw84.html]
http://rafb.net/p/KiQ6Uw84.html

whats the url for reporting bugs in fedora?

frozty_sa, sorry, can't say.... haven't used gnome in ages

you'll get an alphabetical listing of all available packages in a point and click type of menu

like my hardware mixing works but not with th mic

yep.

fsck, i think piruit does that too though

Okay, file it against xorg-x11-server-xorg then.

but more correctly, you can only use one DE per x-session you can nest sessions though...

how would i run it? yumex from a terminal or does it install a shortcut ont he menu bar?

i cant believe its more clearly prsented on the homepage

http://bugzilla.redhat.com/
a href="http://bugzilla.redhat.com/"http://bugzilla.redhat.com//a

yes, pirut does, but i didn't tell him about pirut .. i told him about yumex.. i'm trying to help him out

frozty_sa, quite true

thanks

frozty_sa, i would , but i try not to recommend software these days

thanks ivazquez

frozty_sa, .... unless i'm being paid that is

Hi everyone!!!!!!!!!

chocobanana, hi

can somebody tell me what is the pastebin url?

rafb.net/paste

there's a few
pastebin.com, pastebin.ca

It's actually in itty bitty letters under the Communicate link.

ivazquez, you took out the link in the subject?

Not I.

ivazquez, okay... might want to put it back in

Not right now. Right now I go find food.

ivazquez, cool
ivazquez, might i suggest some palaue

I have problem, my laptop sometimes gets a temporary 20 sec freeze

I'm using kyum and receiving "*** Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: livna" after installing the livna-release-7.rpm

chocobanana, define freeze

have you recently stuck any cheese or butter in the floppy drive?

I already checked the logs and the one that seems to point something is /var/log/messages
mouse cursor moves, everything elses is locked

rpm -q livna-release && rpm -V livna-release

output of /var/log/messages: http://rafb.net/p/aXED5810.html

chocobanana, is it predictable?

totally unpredictable

chocobanana, laptop you say?

indeed

chocobanana, do you have another OS on the machine

Hi there, my OpenGL stopped working.. Is there any diagnostics I could do to figure out why it stopped working?

yes, win xp

chocobanana, does it happen there also?

you can "glxinfo" to check for DRI

no, it works normally

DRI?

chocobanana, interesting

direct rendering

chocobanana, what version of fedora?

I would say annoying

chocobanana, i would too

glxinfo | grep 'direct'

so to uninstall something, i could just use "yum uninstall wine" ?

chocobanana, what release?

Fedora 7

remove

man yum

but it also happens with Ubuntu 7.04

says direct rendering: No .. I got that already from glxgears, which was sllloooowwwwww

ah thanks

haven't tryed other distros, though

hodges, seriously, if you don't want to man yum, use the GUI

and would like to have F7 here

livna-release-7-2; S.5....T c /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo

when did it stop working? change anything?

chocobanana, hmm, must be a kernel problem... could just be linux
chocobanana, linux hosting utilizes hardware more

could be a hardware issue

the man yum is not really a terribly long read and is quite enlightening

chocobanana, look around in your BIOS, see if there are any usefful settings there

thats the thing.. I think it happened already some time ago without me noticing it (not been doing games, etc)

Anyone know how to add dns entries to my local caching named server?

that's also my guess, but I would like to nail down the problem

I think it happened after a yum update, best host guess anyway

k. what card?

perlmonkey2, system-config-named i think

you had a livna.repo before installing. Do : mv /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo.rpmnew /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo

system-config-bind?

it gives the option to enable 32bit data transfer mode, do you think it might be related to this?

nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM)] (rev a1)

perlmonkey2, sounds right, feel free to rpm -qi it

rex kwon do.

have you got nvidia drivers?

Cool thanks

as in from the nvidia site?

chocobanana, unless you think that will cause you data loss, experiment with it

or livna?

perlmonkey2, no prob

Now I'm just being greedy, but do you know what I should edit there?

ok, I will try to change that

rpm -qa | grep nvidia gives me nvidia-x11-drv-1.0.9746-1

perlmonkey2, nope, it's been awhile

from livna, should be anyway

Heh, thanks anyways

anyway, I'm glad that in Fedora we have proper kernel updates and hopefully the situation will be solved

hang on, checking quickly

perlmonkey2, no prob

Sure!

chocobanana, not sure i'd call them proper...but okay

i386?

errr.. doesnt say.. how can I see that?

proper in the sense that it updates 2.6.x.y and not just 2.6.20.x for example

chocobanana, ah, cool

thanks for the attention

are you using 64bit?

nope, 32

chocobanana, no problem, loved you in star wars (I kid)

lol

k. then it's i386

nvidia-x11-drv.i386 1.0.9746-1

or otherwise known as x86

Should I not also have a kmod-nvidia something installed??

I did a reinstall of that rpm. that fixed it. I need a long vacation. thank you very much

Whew, found it and it is a pain. I only have 5 machines using this DNS, so I'll just cut and paste into their /etc/hosts Much easier.

i'm thinking that....you could try to yum install kmod-nvidia

perlmonkey2, much

tried doing that, got some compatibility problem.. hang on, I will try again
Error: nvidia-x11-drv conflicts with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
I guess I found the prob.. now then, how do I fix it

remove the one that is currently on, and then install kmod-nvidia

phoenixz, if you have problem with nvidia from livna just lauch ldconfig
it work but somes people have problems when updating it
ldconfig may solve (or yum remove then yum install)

as in, remove the nvidia-x11-drv ??

there is also some new acpid connection stuff if you've using a laptop

if that's the one that's on, yes

yes indeed

and then install both nvidia-x11-drv AND kmod-nvidia?

nope. just kmod-nvidia
it'll pull in all required deps automatically

ok so openoffice isn't showwing up

hodges, still using yum?

aye

not showing up where?

perhaps i'm just not looking int he right place?

rpm -qa | grep -i openoffice

on the menu

okay.. removing and installing.. I'll let you know the results

k. good luck. and say thanks you don't have an ati

there should be an Office submenu

yeah but openoffice isn't in it

what fsck said will tell you whether you have it installed

openoffice.org-core-2.2.0-14.8

it looks like its working.. the nvidia-x11-drv is also being installed, this time with the correct version thanks alot!

hodges, you need more than the core package i think

there must be more than that

and yeah, thank god I dont have ATI. however, now that AMD has ATI, I might hope that they will do more in the open source area.. not??

core is just some support stuff that the rest of oo.o uses

openoffice is several packages

ok i'll try yumex then

open yumex
scroll down alphabetically

Anyone know when a new kernel will be released? Somebody told me any day now...
For F7 that is

no problem

when it's released.

i know the pain graphics can be

any day now

lol, I love that answer, it's somewhat stating the obvious, but I love it...

it's true

Cool, thanks

chmac, you'd have to check fedora-testing

watch updates testing and Dave Jones' blog web hosting if you want better answers

I imagine.. thanks anyway!

kernelslacker.livejournal.com ?

http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/
yupp

When you say check fedora-testing, do you mean see if there's anything in there? Or is there a wiki / mailing list I should check?

chmac, i actually meant the updates-testing list
fedora*-testing

http://people.redhat.com/davej/kernels/Fedora/fc7/kernel.repo

is there a fix for ATI drivers yet?

Thanks, I think that's a bit too bleeding edge for me though...
I just want suspend to work, which I'm told will work with the next kernel

i use all of daves kernels .. no troubles here

nikitis, ATI might be busy opening their drivers

seriously?

pembo13_com, like open sourcing?

so they've claimed

hmm...

wow, smartest idea ever!

who has is holding money for bets on this?

nikitis, this was said by a marketting dude, if i remember correctly, so take with some salt

Gtk-WARNING (recursed) **: could not load image: Icon 'document-new' not present in theme

hodges, nothing to worry about

oh, marketing

when trying to run yumex
yeah but how do i make it run?

mock, i agree with you there

i just ran "yumex" from terminal (as root)
after "yum install yumex"

i get to go home today and try to get my ati card working with what i've downloaded
if not, i have an nvidia card on the side i can plan b

pembo13_com, in that case I have no problem waiting for the drivers
pembo13_com, does that mean true opengl for ati then?

nikitis, i wouldn't hold my breath, but okay

none of this emulated fglrx crap

Found the RedHat list pages, but I can't find a Fedora updates-testing list?
Do you have a URL for the list?

nikitis, one can hope, i'll give them my money if they do it

pembo13_com, yea, same
pembo13_com, nvidia has been great for proprietary imo. they usually listen to what the customers need out of their cards.

chmac, looking

But in the end, open source is what everyone would want

ahh that pizza and BBQ wings where goood!!!

chmac, https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list

what does that add to the channel?

Great, thanks

ok, trying to get a fedora system online with wireless (no wired connection) need kernel sources installed and configured...why does the SRPM require me to patch the source and install it myself? how do i get the sources installed and usable to make against?

Fedora and pizza are a good combination

From reading Dave Jones's blog, my suspend issues might not go away with the next kernel release...
Oh well, the joys of freedom hey!

Meoorf, you want kernel-headers not the source

issit safe for me to make /tmp a symlink to /var/tmp ??

where is a link to rpm for kernel-headers?

he wants kernel-devel .. not source or headers

Meoorf, it's in the repos

yum install kernel-devel

fsck, to compile host modules, one needs the headers

you can do that when you are online

what wifi card Meoorf

Meoorf, go to the repo and dload manually

should i just go ahead and plug the nvidia in and not even try to mess with ati?

we got kernel-devel
and doing a make gives some lex.c errors

mock, depends on how much time you have to waste

like we are missing lex headers now

you should be trying to find out what wireless card he has to provide the proper fedorasolved howto
i ask again .. what wifi card /chipset?

fsck, well he cam asking for the source, not for help

rt2570

meaning if i can try the ati, why not give it a shot and up my experience points?

mock, more or less

i could use the higher ranking

http://fedoramobile.org/fc-wireless/rt2x00-wireless-lan-chipset/
it's called teaching .. sometimes the student doesn't know what they are asking for

fsck, fair enough

there was a very positive article in eweek about Fedora 7

fsck, he'd learn more compiling for himself though

look at the howto
always try to avoid compiling source in a package managed system

love how you gotta use yum for everything

fsck, that much i know

rt2500pci is inside fedora 7 2.6.21 kernel

this shit

he should uses this

good thing i placed a time bomb on him before he left.

fsck, see where your good will went to?

yea.. he's outside int he parking lot of #fedora splattered all over

good thing i parked in the far lot
yeah, next time i'm taking the front side bus

Do you use ndiswrapper at all?

EvilBob, not sucessfully, no

K

works great! thanks lots

my new laptop has to new of a wireless card... ;^(

EvilBob, aren't you the wifi guru?

hey anyone using ATi Radeon X1550 gfx card here??

the mfg changed the card used, all the specs showed a 3945 Intel, I ended up with a 4965AGN

Thanks guys, catchya

the vesa driver for dis card doesnt work well so i m looking for fglrx from livna
but i got nothing from yum
what happen??

EvilBob, seems like you should call up the vendor

I get errors from yumex when I attempt to download more than a few packages...
Error Downloading Packages:
type 'exceptions.ValueError'invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''traceback object at 0xa5b9ab8

http://fedorasolved.org/ati
make sure you follow the REQUIRED bits

i c thx
trying it out

seems like no kmod-fglrx from livna for F7

How do I fix these errors in yum?

until the ATI reelases the latest driver

Error is "type 'exceptions.ValueError'invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''traceback object at 0xa5b9ab8"

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?s=d6d88e567d1532efc878b98c31d53cc3&p=794362&postcount=2
omg

lordloh, try using the command-line based yum. See if that works.
"yum install $packagename"

moral of the story, don't buy ati products

Got the same error there too....

yeah I forgot to mention that ATI sucks

lordloh, really? It couldn't possibly have been the same error.

Okay... let me try again...

and all the drivers so far are only for windows

KageSenshi, rumormill says that they could be open sourcing the driver

I think u r so rite.. I m too foolish enough....

"you are so right"

That's a known bug with yum when using the DVD as a repo.

lol

hey

jude

lol
i am in need of a little help with beryl

if they are ... that gonna be very cool .. i dont have to worry bout getting a new laptop .. (quite hard to find nvidia laptop @ the place i
'm living in

Fanactism what is your problem with beryl?

it does not work at all
any settings i input do not take effect
my video card is ATI mobility radeon 9000 IGP

not gonna work

the compiz thing works fine

is ther any nfs client for xp

Any work around?

Either rerun createrepo against it or don't use it.

Last time when I did createrepo against it in FC6, I lost all group information. How do I retain it? There is a createrepo -g option but where do I get the group file from?

comps.xml

the package signing problem @ everything repo still not fixed eh? ..

It won't be against packages in Everything, just updates.

Can I get a groupfile against Everyting from some repo ?

They use the same comps.xml.

there is a comps-f7.xml in the DVD. This seems to be a language translation table and nothing more... Where do I get the comps.xml from?

That's the file.
Keep going down.

group list, group id, catagory... I see no information that could possibley bind package names to these groups...

Is there a solution yet to ATI's problem with F7 ? I know I should talk to ATI, then again could'nt find an email host to place my complaint.

http://rafb.net/p/J5pyfQ23.html
is the error from yum...

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?s=d6d88e567d1532efc878b98c31d53cc3&p=794362&postcount=2 have a workaround .. do it at ur own risk though

hi

KageSenshi, Thanks for the reference to the temp solution. My self I'll wait for the official driver.

createrepo did not work... I still get the same error... http://rafb.net/p/J5pyfQ23.html

ure trying to install packages from dvd??

DVD is copied to a folder on the harddisk...
and the folder is made available over apache httpd
so it is accessable as http://hostname/repo/fedora/$releasever/DVD/$basearch/os

ok .. now you cd to the dir where hostname/repo/fedora/$releasever/DVD/$basearch/os is .. run createrepo -g comps.xml (the comps.xml you can get from the repodata folder from the DVD)
it should work afterward .. if it doesnt .. try yum clean all first

hello
is it possible to run f7 as i386 on an intel core2 duo, or do i need to use the x86_64 version?

Yes and no respectively.

The clean all seems to have done the trick and not to mention you and icazques :-)
The clean all seems to have done the trick and not to mention you and ivazquez :-)

ivazquez, any giant down sides/gotchas to doing so?

sorry... Typos :-O

Your apps will only have a total of 4GB virtual memory.

aint core2 duo is 32bit??

Of course, there aren't many that need more...

hrm. this box has 4GB of real memory

What is /dev/mapper0 ?

Some C2Ds are 32, some are 64.

oo

how about virtualizing another f7 instance at 32 bit?

I have two SATA drives and when the intsaller sees them it shows up as /dev/mapper0

What?

actually, i'm pretty sure the 32-bit version is just called a Core Duo

does anybody know a good way to have a streaming server? what i mean is that i have some video files, and i want to have people able to watch it streaming

Flumotion.

Tjikkun, i think icecast also does video, not sure

thanks, i am trying that atm, but i can't seem to be able to figure out how to use an existing file as the source
i did manage to stream my webcam, but well.. don't think that will attract lots of visitors

http://kagesenshi.87.googlepages.com/repomirror.py any idea for me to improve this semi-cooked repo mirroring script ??

i have external hdd here , the filesystem of the hdd is ntfs , how to mount it for temporay in fc6 ?

mount it for temporary?
do you mean temporarily mount it?

yep
i just want to copy some data on it from my fc

yum install ntfs-config .. there'll be a ntfs configuration tool in the system tools menu .. run it

ivazquez, run some kind of VM on top of the x86_64 install for 32-bit stuff

thanks

hi guys, im sure you've had this asked a dozen times, but is there a decent doc for explaining the fedora upgrade path to 7 ?

jduggan, stick the install media into the computer... boot into the installer... do the upgrade

i run the i686 on my core2duo .. and i run x86_64 on my amd because people think they need to run it and i need a running copy to help them

and if i want to try it remotely?

jduggan, feel free to try it remotely

no dist-upgrade equivalent?
yum etc?

jduggan, some people can successfully use yum

yum upgrade at your own risk

jduggan, its not recommended

okay

jduggan, the installer has pxe and vnc support for a reason

fsck, ok, i'll admit it. i like to see flash sites and youtube. is this going to be a problem if i go x86_64 ?

has ne1 upgraded from FC5 to F7 while running OpenVPN? Do all the security keys transfer successfully?

no.
yum install firefox-32

fsck, have you found anything in that arena that isn't on x86_64 yet?

sure, but not having physical access to the box is a problem :P

and use that instead of 64 bit

ok

thx for ur help

you can have x86_64 and use firefox-32 launcher to solve the flash problem

fsck, thanks

jduggan, let me suggest to you... that if you do not have physical access.... then upgrading any operating system has enhanced risks
ujduggan, let me suggest to you... that if you do not have physical access.... then upgrading any operating system has enhanced risks/u

should you be running x86_64? .. the normal response is .. if you have to ask and don't know why .. then no. it's only going to cause you problems

fsck, ok

ofcourse it's enhanced, but so does walking down a street, i only do remote dist-upgrades on OS's/distro's im confident with, i have very little experience with redhat/rpm based distro's so i'll give it a miss for now i think

im having trouble with 1440x900 resolution with ati, any ideas?
1440x900 is distorted badly

i have an idea.
send ati an email and tell them that you're very disappointed they neglect linux support for their cards

thats not true

and that you're not going to buy their products anymore

i just came over to fedora from ubuntu, ubuntu supports it fine
i expected it to work

they don't have support for the new version of xorg yet

fedora doesnt?

ati doesn't
this is about ati and their closed source drivers .. not fedora

i disagree
ubuntu is fine with it

ubuntu is not free

huh?

Fedora has moral standards

It also has the lastest xorg X server

yep.

Which version numbers fglrx gets confused on.

all i want to do is get 1440x900 to work
lol

then email ati .. or use ubuntu

somebody help me pls, how to delete routing table in fedora core 5.

fsck, good answer

what's wrong with 1440x900 ?

bronx, its distorted
bronx, all blocks and blurry
its stuck on 1024x768

f7?

yes
in the forums, others have the same problem
no solution yet

fc6, it's ok

http://www.fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/ati-yum-livna/
that doesnt work either, it returns with nothing to do

you're fabulous at not listening

Hi WB0TRA_work

fsck, read your own manual

can fedora handle a harddrive resize? i'm running raid 1 now with 80gb, but i need more space, so i'm going to switch to raid 0. will fedora handle that change or will i have to wipe and reinstall?

anyone know an easy way to convert a flac file to an mp3? i have livna's repository added, and i have 'lame' installed.. i don't believe lame supports converting from flac, and i've fiddled with ffmpeg and mplayer a bit but they both keep expecting video input as well as audio :/

Hello
I'm taking tonight off from work. Will see if I can make time to burn that F7 DVD.

jeef, tried soundconverter?

jeff, i have a script that will work for you, but you will need to do like two modifications to it

try audacity

audacity, d'oh! good call!
soundconverter i have not heard of, maybe i should check that out too
funny thing is i have audacity installed and i didn't even think about it

yum install audacity-nonfree

BobJensen, did you write that wiki on the one i just posted?

I was the initial author, because no one else would write about the crappy ATi drivers

hah, well, whether they're crappy or not is not the point, the point is that the livna repos isnt working as it says

hey guys
anybody knows how gtk+2-devel is named in fedora 7?

audacity will definitely work. i wish i could script it to do a whole directory of files, though.. :/

rpm -q kmod-fglrx

soundconverter doesn't seem to support flac, oddly enough

I need that package so I can rebuild nspluginwrapper plugin

fsck, yes i know its not installed

jeef, i have a script that will do that for you

yeah the ATi driver is not compatible with the version of xorg in F7 as you were already told

i want to install it

no +

you have f7 .. you know why it says "nothing to do" ?

"nothing to do?" A: When yum reports "nothing to do" what it's really saying is that the "package may already be installed" (or it doesn't exist), so there's nothing for it to do. (ask directly: rpm -q package).

used it a few days ago to convert all my wma files over to mp3

i'm trying to convert a handful of flacs to mp3s for a friend

jeef, really? maybe you're missing some plugins? lemme check mine

sure? I see some gtk+ packages on the repo... ;=s

because fglrx ISN'T FSCKING SUPPORTED IN F7

took about 5 hours to convert almost 500 songs

not yet.
cry to ati

gtk+ is gtk 1, gtk2 is gtk 2.

better yet just don't buy ati

from what to what?

fsck, so you guys are saying the likelyhood of getting my resolution in f7 is nil to none

what what. that sounds like a challenge. i might have to get my ati going in f7 no

thanks!

converted 460+ wma files to mp3

+1 to not buying ATi

it's what we've been saying all along

works like a champ in fc6

you just don't listen because that isn't what you want to hear

its really not necessary to flame or diss ati is it?

;=s... conversion from lossy to lossy is not so cool... you loose quality ;=s

people don't hear what they don't want to

using mencoder..ffmpeg..?

yes it is

wow

using mplayer and lame

Fedora has zero control over the fglrx binary driver, only ATI does, what choice is there if it don't work?

mplayer to convert to wav and lame from wav to mp3? SBNet|Laptop ?

i sent you the cisco modem/router

all of my songs started at 196 and i think ended at 128kb just for quickness
i think, just a sec and i'll check my script

?? change nicknames often, mr opsec? hehe
hey! thanks a lot for that!

kinda spendy .. i think $30usd to send it

yeah, I know... it's not that cheap!

you can construct a gstreamer pipeline and just do the convertion in gstreamer directly. something like: gst-launch filesrc location=music.flac ! flacdec ! lame name=enc mode=0 vbr-quality=6 ! id3v2mux ! filesink location=music.mp3

yeah, mplayer from blah format to wav then lame to mp3

meh-hee-co ain't cheap

maybe you could have sent it in parts... in regular mail... you know, 1 screw at a time?

haven't tested this, so it might not work, should give you an idea on how to construct pipelines though

jeef, my soundconverter has support for flac

that's pretty awesome

lol, yeah, I know

mine won't let me open them for some reason
i'll try again though

yep, gstreamer is pretty powerful

http://www.pastebin.ca/562264

jeef, there are some gstreamer plugins (maybe gstreamer08, i don't remember )

that's the php script i made to do all the conversion, takes about 20 seconds per song
i tried piping, but had troubles getting everything right, so i just scripted it to do it a way i knew
you will have to change a little bit to work for you, like the searching for wma files to flac

hmm
here we go, fiddled with things and toyed with gstreamer's libs, and soundconverter works now it seems

great

thanks a boatload, everybody, i got multiple good answers

I don't suppose anyone here has managed to get a Sony Digital Walkman (nw-s202) to work under Linux ??

sorry to answer you with a rant, but sony is famous for creating hardware that just doesn't work

I know, I have found a Java client app that works with 'some' models of the digital walkman, but unfortunately it barfs all over the nw-s202

I wouldn't touch sony hardware with a stick

i would.. just not an mp3 player

I can't believe it is actually worth the development costs to build an MP3 player that does anything other than behave like a mass storage device, and play the files on it, but no, Sony have to encode everything to some bizarre OMA file format, and keep some kind of weird index.

their laptops work like a charm with fedora

hey, um, does anyone know if there is a simple tool/tutorial on setting up a kerberos server on a fedora host for fedora clients and maybe even a winxp client?

Never again will I buy a device without checking for full 'open' Linux support

Hi people. I did a yum patch, and it was upstream. now I want to know where it will be released? only in FC8?

erm...anyone from US here?
I need some help...

Yep

nope

hehe

we're all from mexico

i'm for US!!!!! SC to get right!!!!!
AHHHHHHH
sorry, thought the mexicans were attacking

that's it, amigos, linux was really a cover up project developed in Meheeko

erm...I was registering for this aol service and they want some US cell no to send the damn confirmation code.

DO NOT use AOL

can anyone help?

Torvalds is a good actor we found... he's actually from venezuela

that is cheap for me man
you have a cell?

there is absolutely no compelling reason, there are other providers that can give you better packages, and you won't be ties into all their weirdness

I have almost complete my registeration, mate

SO, stop

I just need the confirmation code thats all

i have a us cell phone.. will i give you the number? no.

will do
oh come on someone help !

lol

sorry, I am really from México... hehehe... to to a starbucks, man

never mind ...

Hmm....handing out a phone number to a random person on IRC....dangerous? probably.

call a friend FlameBird

did it ever occur to you to try calling AOL?

i'm sure you know a friend with a cell

and explaining the situation

I am from India

what. they dont have phones in india?

they have
but the darn AOL wants US

Maybe you should try IOL

so why do you need a us cell?
lol

didn't you guys just open some development site here in Guadalajara???

no idea mate

so... call aol and gripe to them

will try

chutiya

LOL

how can i get mplayer plugin to work?

where did you learn that?

maybe you could try #friendly or #trusters

or #chump

same place i learned bhenchhod, madarchhod, gaand etc etc

What is the best solution. I need a Fedora network share that both Linux and XP can access and it needs to be able to handle concurrent reads and writes for a brutal prolonged period.

or #suckersRus

you Indian?

NFS or SMB/
?

no, but i play one on tv

maybe DAV

lol

thanks anyways

DAV? That can be mounted locally on Linux and XP?

DAV is apache... apache is eclectic

its on my list of things to test, but afaik, yes

Test? I need this for a functioning prototype Thursday. I don'thave time to test. I'm guessing NFS can't be seen from XP, so I'll have to go with SMB?

FlameBird - You must have assumed a very low savvy level for people on this channel. Why would anyone give a mobile phone number to you. At the minimum, they would probably end up on yet another call center list, and get midnight phone calls from the Kirby brush man. God knows what kind of havoc a determined dick-head could cause on a cell phone.

I completely understand

my cell number is 999.999.9999
feel free to call anytime

lol

sorry
i don't roll out anything without thourough testing first
and i have a list of to-dos a mile long

oh btw F7 is rocking!
I screwed gentoo for Fedora

Please, don't be sorry, I appreciate your help. And this is just a demo, but I don't want the filesystem to blow up in th emiddle of it.
"I do not think that word means what you think it means."

then i might suggest samba

Yes, I'll go with SMB and just throttle everything.

can anyone tell me how to configure advanced settings of the xscreensaver in gnome on f7?

But you are sure that XP can not see an NFS mount?
Becuase wouldn't NFS be the most robust?

out of the box. nfs is not supported on xp
you can make it work with 3rd party tools, iirc

I don't know, but you can tell us what you're trying to do

i dont touch windows in my job, so i dunno

What is my location of the directory of C header files that match your running
kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]

I almost didn't have to touch windows, but after 1.5 years of avoiding it, they finally needed a display piece and went with MatLab/ArcGis for Win32.

JohnMahowald, I was trying to configure "advanced" settings for molecule screensaver, like spin speeds, and other things.
JohnMahowald, basicaly set the lunch args without searcing for the .desktop files and editing them manually

has anybody here compiled nspluginwrapper on fedora 7?
is fedorasearch.org abandoned?

dunno, might talk to daMaestro about it

ok
is fedorasearch.org dead?

Which file tells fedora what its network name is?

is it worldwide lunch time?... Now that's what I call synchronization! UTC isn't that accurate! ;

network in /etc/sysconfig
or host in /etc
not exactly sure which one off the top of my head

both are directories... files at the end... but I think you could be more specific

big truck of dell computers came in, had to get some

/etc/hosts didn't seem to change the name on the command line, and /etc/sysconfig is a dir of lots of config files.

/etc/sysconfig/network
it is a file in it is hostname=blah
change that and that will change your hostname

woot, thanks SBNet|Laptop

[root@daniellaptop ~]# more /etc/sysconfig/network
NETWORKING=yes
HOSTNAME=daniellaptop
see!
lol

so, does anyone know if there is a simple tool/tutorial on setting up a kerberos server on a fedora host for fedora clients and maybe even a winxp client?

go to http://www.fedorasolved.org/ and look for it

the search function atleast found nothing with the word kerberos

well, try using the RHEL documentartion... it saved my life 100 times
i'll give you a link

great

https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/

thanks

I consider those to be one of the best resources for our distro
sure

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2142494,00.asp very positive review of fedora 7

df -h Avail 1.1T
I love it

maybe somebody could set up a google search limited to the RHEL online docs
umaybe somebody could set up a google search limited to the RHEL online docs/u

in google search

yeah, I know
but, if there was something available that spared me a few keystrokes, i'd take it!
kerberos site:https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/Deployment_Guide-en-US/
do you know if this feature can include multiple sites?...

hi all

hello

I've got a prob google can't seem to help me with

Renich, not sure.

and fedorasolved is of questionable use...

Yanroy, you should ask it then

no it isn't

I would like to make opengl work on my comp... I'm fairly sure it's not working now
and I don't know how

Yanroy, can you run "glxgears" ?

video hardware?

no, "extension glx missing on display :0"
JohnMahowald, ati radeon mobility 9700
I don't want to install the ATI drivers if I can avoid it

Yanroy, ATI is broken at the moment.

when I had FC5, installing the ATI drivers totally hosed the system

did you try drivers from livna?

Renich, under FC5, yes
I'm presently using F7

well, what a coincidence! Most people here are!

how about that?
hehe

Yanroy, you can never hose your system by installing graphics drivers. Worst case scenario is you editing xorg.conf and putting back the old drivers.

sorry, just being a bit sarcastic... haha

how do i disable ipv6 in the kickstart file?

ferrum, it permanently destroyed my ability to suspend, and uninstalling the new drivers didn't fix it

edit it

ferrum, so you said ATI is broken "at the moment"... what do you mean?

Renich, heh. thanks. know what switch i put in? know any place i could find recent documentation of the kickstart options?

Yanroy, I'm not sure, it's just the Party line. I don't use ATI. But from what I understand, it's a technical issue on ATI's side, and the drivers are broken.

ferrum, I don't think I'm using the ati drivers. in my xorg.conf, it says "radeon"

Yanroy, that's the open source driver from Xorg

Grummus, does it support opengl?

Yanroy, on some old chipsets yes
Yanroy, "man radeon"

Grummus, well, mine is 3+ years old... how do I find out if it does/how to do it?

rafb.net/paste

Yanroy, glxinfo |grep direct

Grummus, linux interprets my radeon 9700 as "radeon 9600 M10", which the man page indicates (in an unclear way) that it may be 2D only

Yanroy, do you want 3d desktop?

lspci | grep -i ati

no idea, try googleing

che, I want faster graphics, especially under wine

Yanroy, i see

Yanroy, the last command from che gives you an answer if you have accelerated 3d

or F1 key
check this out: file:///usr/share/doc/system-config-kickstart-2.7.7/index.html

che's command spews error messages about the glx extension not being present, so I assume I don't have accelerated 3d

yep

Yanroy, thats most probably because you are loading modules in modules section

?
I'll put my xorg.conf up like fsck asked

Yanroy, if you dont have a modules section it will load all the necassery modules
Yanroy, yeah
Yanroy, if you explicitly specify a module it will only load that on
Yanroy, that was the behaviour last time i checked

che, with the fresh install (first boot) of F7, I had to X... I had to do things to the xorg.conf to even make it work at all, including adding a modules section

Yanroy, good idea

Renich, thanks just been looking online with no luck. i'm just writing the files by hand so i didn't think of the docs with the sysconfig program

Yanroy, after all updates applied you could try to go to init 3 and try again with system-config-display --reconfig

my xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/OD3VQs99.html

Yanroy, if that doesent work properly id suggest to open a bugreport at bugzilla.redhat.com

Yanroy, the f7 Xorg autodetects nearly all things it needs, only exception is the driver and the keyboard layout (and maybe special mice/tablets/etc.)

I had a typo in my explanation about my first boot... it didn't work at all, even the password screen didn't show up (but the graphical boot did)

Yanroy, give me xdpyinfo please aswell

I messed with the xorg.conf using a friend's that uses an ATI card as a template and made it work

Yanroy, and the exact output of glxinfo

Yanroy, with the current Xorg "less is more"

output of glxinfo http://rafb.net/p/reZnbj93.html
http://rafb.net/p/vlWCv415.html
I have a fully updated system as of last night

is there any way to make vsftpd not open additional ports other than 21?

what other ports?

http://rafb.net/p/mwkHnG68.html

in passive mode, it seems to need other spt

true

you need at least 20,21

and others, for passive mode

fsck, what does this do?

I see
so that is the natire opf passive mode then?

or is it active mode

nature
I'd rather open port 20 and 21 than 21 and a bunch of others

1024 on the server ? or is that passoive?

passive opens an additional port
not 21 or 20
apparently

yeah so a good firewall will detect the passive command and auto-matically open the port

I think to make iptables do that you need to load a special module

I thought the idea of passive mode was to prevent the inside frmo opening a hole to the outside
from

for the *client*

1024 on the server (passive), or the server can connect to a random port 1024 on the client (active)

ah

fsck, what is that snippet you directed me to for?

so which is more secure?

for who?

for the server

active i suppose
both are secure in principle

just trying to figure out which is best for firewall support

iptables can connect PASV commands and open the port automatically, so do most hardware firewalls
*detect, not connect

hrm, so iptables has support for this?

yes
just google iptables ftp

hey can any one tell me what what player will support to play .mov (quicktime files) for me .. in my F7 ???

mplayer

moeSizlak it's not playing

and i'm interested to know also

is anyone else having probs with raid1 software raid on f7? I am using 2 identical sata drives on an intel 945gccr board, no fake raid or anything funky. after much trial and error I found I needed to explicitly disable multipath support on the kernel boot line, otherwise the drives show up as one mapper/mpath0 device

Hm, I don't guess anyone has a tool that will look at a stack backtrace and tell you what debuginfo packages are required? Should be pretty straightforward, but before I go re-inventing the wheel...

you may need the binary codecs in /usr/local/lib/codecs

moeSizlak i can see the video in mplayer but it's not playing the audio ...

do you have the binary codecs?
you need to d/l them from mplayer website

With the "bad" and "ugly" plug-ins to gstreamer, totem actually seems to be able to play most things now. And totem-mozplugin actually works okay

and put them in /usr/local/lib/codecs (NOT a subdirectory of that)

moeSizlak nope .. ? tell me how can i get them ? .. by using yum ??? plz gave me the syntax

no yum

anyone know how to configure advanced settings of xscreensaver (the args) on gnome+f7?

http://www3.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/essential-20061022.tar.bz2
extract the files into /usr/local/lib/codecs (MAKE SURE NOT TO PUT THEM IN ANY SUBDIRECTORY)

hi guys.. I m thinking of exchanging my Radeon X1550 with a nVidia card with similar price/class.. any suggestions?

guolin, dont?

?

moeSizlak ok i am downloading them .. and then i am going to place them ..
moeSizlak let's see what happen ... plz wait a little ...
moeSizlak hey right now tehre is no folder name codecs there in /usr/local/lib ... tell me should i creat a new one there ???

is anyone else having probs with raid1 software raid on f7? I am using 2 identical sata drives on an intel 945gccr board, no fake raid or anything funky. after much trial and error I found I needed to explicitly disable multipath support on the kernel boot line, otherwise the drives show up as one mapper/mpath0 device

my samba share goes invisible on reboot, anyone else have this problem?

moeSizlak hey man it's not running still .. giving the audio error !
moeSizlak tell me what should i do next ??

anyone know how I add samba users via comman line/conf file?

smbpasswd -a username ?
How do I rpmbuild a kernel source rpm with some changes to the config file?

What is a umask that would allow read and write?

the config files are built from templates in the SOURCES

can someone think of a reason why running this small piece of code would take 27 seconds instead of 0.5? http://pastebin.ca/562512

whats teh deal

whew, finally got the samba mounts working.....niiiiice
Is "love" too strong a word to use when talking about Fedora?

hehe
can't really blame you, I suppose perlmonkey2

thanks!

it *is* awful nice.

I am consistantly reminded of that nearly every day

hehe

tried fusesmb ?
it'll just mount what samba shares it finds
and you may specify username and password etc..

moeSizlak i can's have the audio ...
moeSizlak how i play audio in that.. i can see the video now .. but it's giving me problum in audio ...

whats the error message say (in console)
it might be ogg or something

hello guys

hello

moeSizlak r u there ?
moeSizlak i had pm u .. just see there

Hi, does any one in here uses dbdesigner?
http://fabforce.net/

Hi everyone!

Anyone have sound problems in F7?

Quick question - how do I keep the screensaver from locking the computer?
Only when switching users.

hmm

try to configure it -_-

My sound was working just fine earlier today and now I have nothing

Oh, geez, how did I miss that one!?
Thanks. Please pardon my total and complete stupidity. :P

brb I am going to try to logout and back in

Restart

I have already tried that one lol

See if that works. That's how I get mine working again.
Oh

I'm sure you get a ton of these question types, but I was wondering how Fedora compares to Kubuntu's prelinking mechanism. My RAM is filled because ubuntu preloads many libraries using DT_GNU_HASH, which is nice.

After I booted into Vista from my dual boot my sound stopped in F7

Have you tried autodetecting again? Vista may have changed the IRQ.

ahh good point

I mean, I'm no Linux expert here and don't know if that's really the case, but it's at least a lead.

ok brb I am going to try to reload the driver for it

I know this answer isn't much help, but I have no clue. Never used Kubuntu.

thanks tyrok. I've been on Kubuntu for awhile but it's always been buggy. I hear Fedora's KDE is much more integrated.

KDE has always seemed to work very well for me under the Red Hat distros. Haven't tried it in Fedora 7, but it's worked well for me in the past.

Hi, does any one in here uses dbdesigner with fedora 6?

In Fedora 7, I've only really tried XFCE and GNOME.
Not much help, but I don't.
For that matter, I'm on F7, so I'm really just adding junk to the bottom of your screen. :P

fwiw KDE is working mostly fine for me in F7
i have encountered a bug with kpowersave that prevents modifying preferences
but that's about it

Is it possible to build a kernel for an FC6 box on an FC5 or FC7 box?

Good to hear! I initially installed F7 text-only, so I've kind of incrementally installed only the things I use the most.

OS4x, personally.. i would use mock and make sure i had the correct build environment for the target system

DrJef, I am not sure what mock is. I am searching on it but I am not getting anything consistent. Could you tell me?

OS4x, there maybe some fedora release specific patches that the fedora kernels use...to work around specific glibc quirks..ive no idea
OS4x, mock is a way to rebuild rpms against a consistent build environment

IIRC, there are RPMs for that sort of thing...Lemme go check...
This may help:
http://sysadmin.cs.caltech.edu/docs/help/Linux/custom_kernel_rpm
Never done it myself, but it's something you can start with.

Thank you for the link, I will study it closer, but at first glace it looks like the same method I've tried two time in the past and ran into a problem with.

Well, like I said, I've never done it before. You're a bit more adventurous than I.

in the past couple days i've tried building kernel RPMs (just to test) and the process ate up all the free space on my hard-drive (3+GBs!) so I guess I need to make more room if I'm going to be able to do this.
this may be true. I've learned I have to put in work to find my answer

Whoa. IIRC, the kernel should be much smaller than that. I'd check your build environment, because it sounds like infinite recursion or an infinite loop.

Yeah, it happened on two different systems. One was FC5, the other FC6. Neither was related to the other in any way

Looks like the stock fc5 kernel is around 45MB, so that's way off.
Odd. Although I've never rebuilt the kernel like that, RPM building usually works very well for me.
Do you need to rebuild it, or do you just need to replace it? In other words, would the stock kernel work?

Yeah... the only thing I could figure is that like I probably have a reallllly terrrible config file like it's trying to include all of the world or something
I actually need to rebuild it, unfortunately. I need to make a change and rebuild it

As I had anti-hoped. :P

anyone using l7 filter?
im beating my head against my desk trying to get rpmbuild to incorporate the l7-filter patch for 2.6.18 into the stock fc6 kernel rpm

Try this link:
http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_fedora

i can patch the build source, then make a custom patch for the fedora kernel. but adding this to the spec file dies on the configure

Thats actually the guide I HAVE been following.

We're working through some FC6 kernel compile issues with OS4x, so you've picked a good time to ask.

its something to do with the new options in menuconfig

Gaah, I had hoped MAYBE we could somehow help you.

Are you filmilar with with doing rpmbuilds of kernels?

yes

anyone know anything bout fonts? I have some fonts that are available for window manager configs and stuff, but rxvt won't see them

except now, apparently

OK, another thing to check. Are you modifying it yourself, or using a patch from somewhere?

initially the problem was the .config for i686 didnt have the # i386 line at the top (weird way to do things, btw)

Maybe you could help me. I've been trying to do an RPM build and for some reason the build/compiling process starts eating up gigs of space as it proceeds along

are you specifying the target arch?
its going to take a couple gigs to do a full build

ha... now they work... wtf

Didja try restarting the X font server (I think it's called xfs)?

I'd like to launch xterm with my choice of font sizes, but 'xterm -fs num' doesn't seem to make a difference. any ideas what my stupid is?

yeah, rebooted for the hell of it

Umm.. I'm just making a change during xconfig. So no patching really.

just removed them for the 5th time and reinstalled, and now rxvt see's em
Terminal doesn't though

Does it compile OK without the config change? Just compiling the stock kernel?

are you specifying --target=`uname -m`

Sounds like you two both have similar problems.

it's weird... cause this is the third box I've been using F7 with and I didn't have this issue before
dmesg

also. after a make xconfig, you copy the .config to SOURCES. make sure the top line is "# i386"

Glad you're here. I've never rebuilt the kernel before, only other programs, so I'm kind of just going down the list of anything I can think of.

its a bit more in depth than most programs
but not too bad

Uh, yeah, I ain't that adventurous.

i need l7filters. im tired of people eating my 20megs of bandwidth streaming music and other silliness

Hello .. can someone please tell me what the GTK-gui package name is for wireshark?

I was specifying "rpmbuild -bp --target=i686 kernel-2.6.spec" and "rpmbuild -bp --target=x86_64 kernel-2.6.spec" (becuase thats what the 2 systems identified itselfs as).

ok. what exactly is the problem. i missed it...\

But aparently that step is the application of the patches huh?

yum search -d0 shark

The included fedora patches, anyway.

gosh, where are all the old-timers?

Thanks

Unfortunately, they got sick of all of us new-timers asking the same questions and decided to blind themselves so they wouldn't sit on IRC all day. :P

Cupu, wireshark-gnome

hehe tyrok

Found it, thanks

The problem began with running out of space before it could get anything done. I had 3 GIGs free and it ate them all. I do believe this was happening during the rpmbuild command

Well, it must seem obvious now, but I have no idea how to help you with the l7 stuff. In fact, I'd never even heard of it up until you asked.
May not be helpful, but it's at least a response.
I don't really know, but there may be some kind of a config-parsing bug that's getting you stuck in an infinite loop or something.
I've compiled a lot of things, my own programs and others, but never the kernel.
But I know when I'm stuck, I'd rather hear suggestions on where to start than total silence.

what tool do u guys use for iptables log viewing?

Anyway, whether the config is selectively applying built-in patches of some sort, or it's just getting stuck, other people have compiled it before, so I'd say that's probably the source of the problem.

Yeah. I guess besides the other new information I've picked up today, It would be helpful to know whats a failsafe way to get a kernel built even if its not even customized as I need it.... ya kno, just to get started and filmilar how a successful build goes.

mutk, ping

I'd recommend that you follow the instructions in the first link, download an SRPM and build it, but just don't apply it.

daMaestro, Pong

Well, I've gotta get going. See ya!

later tyrok

When you say 'dont apply it' you mean dont install it, right?
well either way ill try it
thanks alot ppl
ttyl

this install is possesed
for some reason when I drag windows, they go transparent

it's a feature!

yeah, but I didn't set it supposedly it's set to not do that
man composite is awesome

compiz+aiglx?

just aiglx

hello, is the ATI driver still broken?

ask ati

arnt fedora tm responsible for drivers in fedora?

no
not closed source

yes. ati drivers are not in fedora

but they're in lvna

is there a way to play .wv file in totem?

livna != fedora

well, livna is responsible for livna.

why is this driver broken, does have to do with xorg?

indeed it does

same as all the other distros
this isnt right this should be fixed pronto

it's not the same, it's new version no other distro uses yet

tell ati

so your saying teh driver isnt compatible with a newer version of xorg?

yes
and ati will resolve it when or if they will, and there's nothing anyone else can do about that

nice, just ran glxinfo and X tanked

they're the only ones that can fix it

will it do any good

it certainly won't do any good to blame fedora
or any of the open source developers

yes, blame canada instead.

ahem

hehe

lol

i just thaught that fedora tm was responsible for 3rd party drivers, cos they dont recommend proprietry drivers
bi just thaught that fedora tm was responsible for 3rd party drivers, cos they dont recommend proprietry drivers/b

that's better

Blame AMD for buying ATi and making it even more un reliable

why do you think they're called _third_ party drivers?

because theres been 3 release parties for the same driver?

coz they're repackadge for fedora?
this is why they end up in lvna

which makes then non-proprietary?

exactly

no, they remain proprietary

dude, I want some of whatever you're on

but they are redistributable in unmodified form

for under $100 your suicidal feelings can be made to vanish.

and when they are broken and you cannot modify them, certainly fedora must be responsible

why not just buy an inexpensive nvidia card? I say, go with the flow.

non sequitor...

it's times like this I love the fact that my laptop is a force 6150

ok i misunderstud the concept for a few seconds

thingfish, that doesn't work when you have a laptop issued by your employer

in may cases, we at Livna can fix bugs

that would be true.

in this current case, the problem is with a binary file for which the source is unavailable

why doesnt fedora wait for ATI to move, before they comit themselves

is the fglrx 8.37.6-1 in livna-testing supposed to work? I still get the same core dump

yes...?

why dont fedora work around ATI

Livna have not committed themselves. the current driver is in Livna testing

why don't you go bug ati instead

the problem is with a binary file

elZip, i stuck with vesa drivers but its not really fedora's problem to track third party drivers. And this fiasco actually points out the problems with binary blobs

hehe oops, unplugged the wrong cord.

lol if fedora waited on ati for a driver then we would stil be on core 3

not quite, but your point is valid

lol
ok ok so I was a little off core 2
lol

hehe

did they ever realse a good driver for 6?
I havent used an ATI card in linux for a few years now

this is the first time, to my knowledge, we've been unable to find a usable workaround

I use nvidia cards, and never once have I had a problem.

bitchkat, f7?

daMaestro, yes

bitchkat, fglrx is known not working.. and we wont see it working till ATi fixes it

Nvidia's policies wrt to their driver are quite different. they make sure upstream, current stuff works

it is not fixed in 8.37.6, if that is what you are asking

daMaestro, i know that, i was just wondering about the 8.37.6 drivers in livna-testing

gotta wait for 8.38

that package fixes the Xorg version issue... but not any of the real underlying issues

there's your rhyme ..

I just wish my sound worked lol

whereas ATi focus on specific Linux vendors

anyone else have a problem with the onbaord nvidia sound cards?

and hw vendors too

the MCP51 High Def card to be exact

Say, is there an F-7-LiveCD for PPC?

Anyone know of a way to rate limit yum, like a plugin?

nvidia seems to be having more success with their approach.
at least, from general impressions.

usually it's the other way around

is there hp-toolbox for fedora?

Edgan, i can't believe that yum is downloading too fast for you that you want to slow it down

sounds like someone is updating at a colo and about to go over their limit lol

man, this is the first fedora I've tried in years that makes me forget debian.

yeah, but I have a T1 with a bandwidth shaper on it for VOIP. A download starts and two seconds later everyone is whining about slow internet.

yup

f7 is just so fine

anyone using firefox 1.5.0.12 having issues installing addons?

What happened to #fedora-gals? There's too many dudes here.

:/

thingfish, what fedora does good at is being an OS. It does what you want it to with minimal bull thats associated with other unstable distros

#fedora-gals or #fedora-women ?

thats it

There is probably a way to rate limit yum but I don't know what it is. I run my own repository... and use mod_cband with apache to rate limit downloaders.

there's never anyone on #fedora-women and i think there has been a total of 15 things said since it was started

lol

yeah, I have run my own repository, but wouldn't worry about the local network if I was in this case.

are they cute?

jimblah, eh?

are fedora-women cute?

Granted... but rate limiting the outside world is a good idea.

jimblah, i think the question to ask is are women who use Linux cute?

So... no on the PPC LiveCD availability?

I think not.. just because cute women have little interest in computers let alone qaulity OSes

do u live in your parents basement?

fedora-women could be especially cute...

more interested in taking mens money

lol
THATS MY WIFE TO A T!

Xaero_Vincent, i make *alot* more money that my ex-husband ever did

lol
my wife is computer iliterate

so is my ex-husband

flirting could ease my depression over this ati/xorg thing

I'm just glad I know enought to use Linux
wow
I will not flirt with u

not even for fun?

bitchkat, well there are always exceptions to the rule

your in the same situation as me

I like Fedora?

elZip, then maybe you should flirt with jimblah

i like fedora but havnt tried f7

It hasn't really been released yet

ffdshow ... is it recommended and is it yumable?

yes it has

Wait for the respin

i'm contemplating a f7 install

f7 is almost 2 weeks old

im still on f6 because of ATI drivers
but Im moving when they are fixed

snd-hda-intel doesnt work for my ati sb450 sound card

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/246998 is the only workaraound for fglrx on F7

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