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that's not bad

So that I can grab packages from pirut without worrying about it corrupting me with i386

$150... I gotta look into that too

exclude= in yum.conf

exclude=\*.i386

http://www.vcampus.com/cciivv/lpinama/index.html
aha, found

exclude=*.i?86

x86_64

what package is ldapsearch in :|

Is what I need

tonyb2007, mozldap-tools

is there one from openldap

It took me ages to figure out that the reason XFCE wasn't working was because of the i386 packages, lol

what problems are you having? xfce works fine for me, x86

I'm running 64-bit install of Fedora. What happened was that i386 xfce packages got put in
And it got confused or something
And wouldn't load any of the panel modules

ahh

malikeye, if you want to know what's on the test they charge $249.00

come to think of it, I installed x86_64, and it was hosed, so I went back to x86
haha

zodiac, ping

looking at the page now

is anyone here running firefox2?

from what I understand, it's not that hard of a test

me

I am in an Fedora 7 virtual machine for testing purposes

well I'm still on F6

What's your question?

malikeye, probably not.

but everytime I start firefox2 or the alpha for firefox3, it seems to run firefox 1.5

but neither was the A+

even when I run it as ./firefox

heh

I remember walking into a Win2K test cold and passing

gotta turn off firefox 1.5

so MCP == me, which doesn't mean crap.... haha

like exit all of the browsers you have open
it'll do the same thing if you have firefox and firefox-32 also

ok
let me try

you can't run different versions at the same time
you can have multiple versions installed, just not running at the same time
it's a real pain if you have plugins that only work in one or the other, but what are you going to do? lol

firefox-32 is merely a slightly modified /usr/bin/firefox script

yup

How can I unmount a floppy from terminal?

umount

umount /dev/fd0 ?

thanks.

floppy-fd0
i don't think fd0 works
oops
i lied
umount /dev/fd0

unmount wasn't found

umount

is there a tag for mount?

it's "umount"

not unmount

-n

malikeye, thanks

A floppy.. How quaint.

lol

haha

why is it that F6 doesn't have any firefox2 rpms?
why is firefox2 such a big deal to integrate into F6?

gantrixx, because you haven't upgraded to f7

cause FC6 won't see any more updates ?

argh I hate this LPI website so much

except for bugs / security

yes but Firefox2 was out before F7

Link to nowhere

I'm ordering a new computer

Hrm

and plan to upgrade to F7

Yum doesn't appear to have support for the slim login manager
Though that's not a really a

the maintainer though FF2 didn't have enough features to justify the maintaining of a FC6 update.

That's more of a

gantrixx, was firefox2 out before fedora 6 was released?

Let me guessa... SLIM is Slim Log In Manager

order me one too ?

no

Yep

Backronym meh

it was

Slim rocks :P

fc6 just didnt include it

fedorared, that was rhetorical :P

I got stuck with the gnome one, then removed gnome lol
And now I no longer have one

i can't install fedora 7. the installer kernel panics during startup

xdm?

oh well, no biggie, I'll be on F7 soon enough

Whatever comes with gnome

bummer is, that dell is forcing me to buy a monitor with my computer

XDM would work though

I am trying to use the nouveau driver but it cannot find /usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so and yum provides didn't return any results, any ideas?

triplah_, do you have a dual core cpu?

gantrixx, I bought a headless computer from dell recently.

from what i can tell from google is that it is part of the mesa package and needs to be built into mesa

if you buy one of their "open source" amd machines (freeDOS) you are forced to buy a monitor

yeah

triplah_, try 'maxcpus=1' as a parameter on bootup, if not, try 'maxcpus=0'

Oh hell

unless someone can recommend another manufacturer, I'm going to buy a Dell this time

I'll just install GDM

I'm not going to build one this time

ok will do
bbs

my last box was a penguin computing box....and my vaccum is quieter

you might need to edit grob.conf after install though

gantrixx will it be a laptop or a desktop?

Newegg has my PCs

desktop

InsaneJuggalo, he's ordering a monitor.

grub even

I have an Asus Laptop that does me just fine

oh

I like Asus

good point, I should upgrade my laptop
I don't use my laptop that much

i always go with toshiba for laptops

it is my guinnea pig
to be honest, I hate dealing with Dell

thinkpads ftw

dell = hell

don't even get me started on their call centers

erm.. Missed the 3

i tried ordering a laptop once from dell and the guy wanted to sell me the most expensive one they had and wasnt that great only had like 256mb ram and 60gb hdd

May I be helping you, do the needful!

and the guy wouldnt understand what i wanted

the start off telling hindi_accentRest assured I will do my level best to help you/hindi_accent

quick question... if I chose java servlet hosting development as a thing to install when installing F7, I have a JRE, right?

i never go any lower than 1gb on any laptop or desktop

firefox is telling me I need to download the JRE plugin

but they have the ability and authority do do nothing

JDK
which includes a JRE

doesn't the JDK include a JRE?

I needed two laptops fairly fast, but only had about half the money. I wanted to work out something with financing at Dell but they refused to finance me. The letter they mailed out basically said because I had a home and car loan, I was a risk. WTF?
IBM was happy to deal with me, so Dell can blow me

Micron used to be pretty good

ok, so how do I persuade firefox to use my already-installed JRE?

I just build my own desktops, never bought a built desktop.

IBM's are pretty sweet machines

it seems that most of the linux web hosting desktop computer manufacturers only want to sell very expensive high end workstations

rugged

ibm is now lenovo which is now owned by china

Has anyone heard of a problem where "system-config-securitylevel" doesn't ask "are you sure" and doesn't apply the settings you made?

Yo yo head in da houuussseee

welcome to fedora YoYoHead

heh. sorry, i just love the sound of that. i amuse myself.

ICP sucks

ferrum who cares, this is a support channel for the fedora project so lets keep on with fedora in the topic

what does everyone think about hp desktops?

gantrixx, no issues with them.

Yes please--looking for someone with ideas on where to find the bug already reported

Don't like the 'commodity' HP's

I also have a bug where only one printer is being shared hosting by Samba from CUPS

business grade ones are ok

i dont like any brand pc's, I always build my desktops and if i gotta get a laptop i always pick toshiba

a long time ago I had problems installing redhat on hps

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UR39tRbDcBk

but that was around RH3 era though

no workies
with both maxcpu=1 and 0
also tried noapic and noapm for the hell of it

malikeye, Heh, I love SB

still kernel panicking on installer startup

Okay, how would I find the version of my 'system-config-securitylevel' ?

ok, I think my problem may be related to having gij instead of a real java vm...

Is anyone else in here having problems with ipw & iwl3945?

It's in a package of tools, so I can't check the RPM, can I?

I can't find an F7 tut for installing java

I have a weird problem on F7 (that I didn't have on FC6) ... If I start up my computer with my webcam plugged, my sound card is not detected and it doesn't work. I just have the webcam microfone as device. If I start with webcam unplugged and then I plug it later, all it's ok. What can I do to solve this, please?

everybody

http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f7.html#java

malikeye, It was completely broken during 6.92-6.94 or so

I can get on open networks, but not secuted

hawaiianryan, I found that one on google... it's old, so I figured it wasn't any good

secured, even

Yanroy, You want Java for Firefox?

The normal instructions from Sun are usually OK, just unpack everything in /opt and then refer to the "java" binary by its full path

YoYoHead, well, I thought I installed a JDK when I originally installed my system, but I guess it just installed the GNU stuff, which is going to cause me tons of problems down the roat
*road

Yanroy, I finally beat it into submission on x64 ... it's not fun.

I've done it on FC4 and FC5... I just need to remember how

install java in /opt and then user 'alternatives' to swap which java you wanna use
*use

anyone know why the fedora 7 installer would kernel panic?

i dont

is there an rpm available through yum that will install a legit JDK?

you want a Sun JDK?

no, Sun has really stupid JDK redistribution policies
which almost match the quality of the RPMs they produce themselves

in the short term, I just want java in my firefox, but in the long term, I need a real (1.5, fully sun-compatible) JDK for dev purposes

Had. Although openjdk still has non free parts.

well, OpenJDK isn't a replacement (yet) and the trademark rules means that everyone's using IcedTea anyway

hi, all. I have a question about the automount in kde. when i insert one cd into my cdrom, kde will give me one dialog, let me choice which action, when I choice

rebuild it from jpackage's non free repository

Permission denied: not in active session

I wonder if 4front's OSS could be included with Fedora eventually

why? how can I fixed it?

fedorared, I've been looking at that... it looks complex, and contains lots of warnings about destroying your package management

isn't fedora gonna go with pulseaudio ?

my fedora is version 7
when I use fedora 6, no this problem.
no people have this problem?

sorry my starbase came under attack. is there a way to get FC7 install CDs onto CD-ROM (and bootable) ?

try the live CD

please.
who can give me a hand? about my problem.

personally haven't used KDE in years... not sure why you would

meh
no fedora for me
unless anyone knows why the installer would be kernel panicing

live CD allows for network download and install?

just can replace 7 to 6. no 7 cd or dvd.

you try noapic apci=no ?

no. boot.iso does.

not sure I follow

an image host called boot.iso exists. burn it and boot it.
or if you prefer, boot the rescue CD "linux askmethod"

i tried noapic , i'll try the apci=no

it might be noapic=off ? it's probably just boolean so both might work

apci=no didnt work
i'll try off

after much reading of jpackage.org, I think what I want to do is install the sun JDK, but there doesn't seem to be a jpackage repo for F7... do I have to do it all by hand and destroy my package management?

here is a user supplied on
check out livan repo
livna
malikeye meh, its not working

What's the default htdocs location for the fedora httpd? I tried putting stuff in /var/www/html/ (although I symlinked it to a directory in my home directory) and also in /etc/httpd which is what is specified in httpd.conf, both times I get a 403 (forbidden) error

can you pastebin somehting ?

i really was looking forward to useing fed7
nope

All files are chmoded a+x

figured.... bummer dude

it is happening less than a second after grub loads

where is it kernel panicing ?
hmm

i actually have no idea.
the line is:
Kernel panic - not syncing: Aiee, killing interrupt handler!
there is something that looks like a stacktrace
looks like its happening when its probing the PCI bus

there is a way to shutoff the probe

fedorasolved.org has another way also managed using alternatives but not the jpackage rpm

thanks. so if i burn boot.iso and and boot it, I can then perform a network install?

correct.

fedorared, which begs the question, why doesn't fedorasolved have an article on the proper way to install a JDK?

roger, appreciate it. will that be found in any repository where the install DVD normally is?

check audit.log for selinux avc denials.

fedorared, I really just want yum support for this so that it will stay updated

thanks

in the images/ dir I believe.

ok that works, thank ye kindly

not going to happen until the JDK is entirely free.

I set selinux disabled, do I need to reboot before that takes effect?

fedorared, but jpackage has repos for FC4, 5 and 6...

So try there FC6 one, I don't think much has changed

Is there any free/open source live internet radio server for linux?

* their
icecast

thanks

What's the diff between serverRoot and documentRoot? server root is /etc/httpd and docRoot is /var/www/html

configuration vs. documents

Ok, so that seems consistent. i have Options FollowSymLinks on, why am I getting forbidden errors? I have selinux turned off

check your error_log

where's that?

/var/log/httpd

symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessabible
i can follow the link just fine though

define follow

cd /var/www
cd /html
takes me to the folder in my directory

you said the symlink was to your home dir?

a folder in my homedir

make your homedir executable
chmod +x ~

ah ok
that makes sense

which for directories indicates browsebale
* browseable

gotcha
in gentoo i guess the default was browseable by all
fedora must be a little more paranoid
what's the package for php host in apache?

php

that doesn't come by default?
ok
thanks
OK, so that makes my php page not bse shown as plain text, but now its showing nothing, not even in source view. I know there's issues with trying to access databases that don't exist, but shouldn't it show me the errors?

I have to manually use mdadm to get my /var partition device to assemble on boot. Two questions on that. Firstly, how do I get that to happen automatically? And secondly, how do I label a RAID partition?

label an ext2/ext3 file system with e2label

Did that.
If I have the /dev/md0 file system done with ext3, does that work? to do e2label /dev/md0 /var?

ok, more java hosting troubles... I installed the Sun JDK using the info a jpackage.org, and now firefox doesn't say I'm missing the plugin anymore (good) but nothing shows up where there should be an applet (bad)
and it doesn't appear to be a problem with the audit thing that fedorasolved mentions...

turn off selinux and autitd, theyre both lame

Well, selinux covers a lot of "told-ya-so's"

moeSizlak, as I just said, that doesn't seem to be the problem. the audit log shows nothing out of the ordinary
if I disable selinux with setenforce, it takes effect system-wide immediately, right?

Plus the plug-in is in the user space, so selinux shouldn't really be playing a role
That's true, Yanroy, to my understanding

ok, well that didn't help

does java show on the about:plugins page?

yep, and it's the version I just installed, and it says enabled

If Sun says the java plugin is good, then it's a site--plugin compatibility issue, right?

hawaiianryan, sun doesn't say the plugin is good. I've been going to sun's java hosting test page and the spot the applet should show up in is just blank

Oh, then the plugin is no good

so it would seem

hi, LVM help, how to move a logical volume (lv) from one volume group (vg) to another vg ?

hawaiianryan, any suggestions on how to make it good?

you can only add or delete logical volumes from a group
So you'd have to delete it from one, and then add it to the other (losing the data)
Yanroy, does Java itself work?

not even with some LVM snapshot.. something like that ?

well, I can run "java -version" with the expected result, but I don't have any local java programs to test it on

I'm not familiar with it enough to say
OK

you could probably vgmerge the groups, use pvmove to move the single LV from one PV to the other, and then use vgsplit to separate them into two VGs again

So the jre1.6/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so file that came with the official JRE is linked into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so ?

good Idea, thank you very much!!

You must be the doctor

If that works, I'm about to move the / partition to a different raid array, without rebooting
ehehe

the plugin symlink points to: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-sun-1.6.0.01/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
which is pretty close to what you said...

And the symlink isn't "broken", right?

nope

Then it must be a compatibility issue--it says here to try 1.5 if 1.6 doesn't work
(Java versions 1.5 and 1.6)

... 1.6 isn't backwards compatible?

for merging, the former vg must be "inactive"
my / is on that vg... :-\

It should be... but it's worth a shot
Which Fedora?

Yanroy, for FC6 you had to install compatibility packages to use java sun plugin for mozilla

I have F7

then merge the destination VG into the VG containing /

I installed the compatibility package per instructions on jpackage.org

Yanroy, I had just installed F7 and I didn't try it yet... but I guess it is the same... take a look at fedorasolved.org in browser solution

I used the newest one

also, don't forget that the initrd has the root filesystems VG/LV name hardcoded in it
ualso, don't forget that the initrd has the root filesystems VG/LV name hardcoded in it/u

going to try and rename the destination vg also then..

I've read all the java-related articles in the browser section on fedorasolved... is there something in particular you think I should look at?

btw, I'm doing all this because I'm experiencing some shitty problems with LVM
bonnie++ cannot finish a single run

Yanroy, I don't know, sorry... I followed the fedorasolved.org guide for FC6 and it worked perfectly. I haven't tested on F7 yet so I can't tell you more details. Sorry about that

also, performance sucks, this should give me 160MB/sec of thoughput, (4 sata disks, assuming 40MB/sec each.. which is very reasonable) and is giving me 50 MB/sec

http://fedorasolved.org/browser-solutions/java-i386/

m3thos, what kind of controller?

gah, why does xchat insist on opening web pages in konqueror? FC5's xchat used firefox...

my xchat opens links in firefox, Yanroy ... well, I don't have konqueror installed :P lol

that is just what your default browser has right now it seems
s/has/is/
gnome-default-applications-properties
Yanroy, i don't know about kde

software raid 5, on a dual opteron 2.6ghz

m3thos, I don't think LVM is to blame here

sata controler is a silicon image 3114
it is.. using the raid5 directly I achieve much greater thoughput

http://thebs413.blogspot.com/2005/09/fake-raid-fraid-sucks-even-more-at.html

I fixed it. kde's component chooser had been set to "open web pages with an acceptable program" (which is good), but the default handler for text/html was konqueror, so I just moved firefox up the priority list
thanks for pointing me in the right direction

linux md's software raid is very good, and very performant, this was alos discussed before on LKML.

m3thos, I don't disagree that linux software raid is good...

think about it.. RAIDing is not complicated nor cpu intensive, in raid5, its just breaking writes and reads into N chunks, XOR it.. and send it to the right device

Yes but you can't do DMA without hardware acceleration

this really is a more complicated problem than it seems, I used to be using a 2.6.14 (old) kernel, were in a LVM with the same 4 discs, configured for stripping (raid0) I achieved 140MB/sec, on sequential writes

m3thos, Just read that article... that guy knows more about drives and stuff than most people learn in a lifetime of working with them.

now, with 2.6.19, 2.6.20, I just can't achieve that

m3thos, I'm not saying there isn't a problem with your setup... I just don't think RAID-5 belongs on anything but a hardware controller.

in that case, the ZFS disagrees with you..
also the implementor of md raid5..

m3thos, ZFS isn't the answer to everything, either

also, this is not "fake raid" .. with a "raid driver" looking like a "IDE controler driver"

m3thos, There's a place and time for everything... it all depends on your needs. And it sounds like you need more performance that you're getting

I had allready achieved that performance, I'm now with a performance regression I want to chase down
uI had allready achieved that performance, I'm now with a performance regression I want to chase down/u

I tried RAID-5, by the way, and FC7 intall took 2-3 hours

m3thos, Any RAID setup that uses the host CPU is "FRAID".

On just an LVM (with three devices) it took about an hour
sounds fine

m3thos, what do you use to test performance?

dd, bonnie++ and iozone

too small for

What about hdparm ?

and eventually it panics.

fopen, fread, fwrite.. binary chunks of 100MB
its sata...

hdparm + sata = no no? It works for me

works for me too

were can I past
a simple dd of the raid5, and of the lvm lvol

hi it seems as if the latest rpm of mplayer I can find is super old does anyone know where I could find a much newer mplayer rpm?

(93MB/sec from the raid5, 85MB/sec from the lvm...)
each disk does 55MB/sec
:-\

i get mplayer rpms from livna

did you try Livna?

thank you

rpm.livna.org

sorry for my ignorance, not an fc user, remote administering one
uhh how can I find fedora version? I think its fc4 but not sure

cat /etc/fedora-release

aha thanks

FC4 is end of life.

yeah.. still a really old verison in that repo
problem is the older versions dump wav to audiodump.wav and I can't ahve that..
maybe I could just compile hosting newer version from source

m3thos, I get 1050MB/sec on a RAID-10 (4-drive) pretty busy set.

that are the backends.. ? real drives
that speed, you're hitting the cache

m3thos, say again?

you might try VLC player

m3thos, yes, cache time reads

hawaiianryan, I only have access to this machine through cmd line I just need to dump some wav files on it - mplayer I know can do this

try this: time dd if=/dev/device of=/dev/null bs=1M count=100
real read speed

what are you trying to do?
convert some compressed audio to wav ?

m3thos, real 0m0.530s
user 0m0.000s
sys 0m0.478s

50MB/sec
effective

wolsni, I already have written a program in C which receives commands on a TCP socket and runs some other programs to convert files, problem is the version of mplayer is too old and dumps audio to audiodump.wav in the directory it was run from
newer versions can put it in a specific folder
and converting WMAs

try a bigger amount.. to reduce the head alignment impact

m3thos, that's on a Acrea controller

The only way I've found to convert WMAs is to dump them to wavs then lame the wavs into mp3s

10M = .214s
(real)
on my web server, it's 0.113
but that's just a single drive

Hey guys.. anyone ever have an instance where /etc/init.d/httpd start says started but nogo and a graceful actually starts it or using apachectl works as well

read something like 1gig, to average.. more data, more time, the more precise the information will be..

... that web server is a 150G 10K Raptor

anyway, that blog you said isn't really aplicable to linux sw-raid, it assumes you using those dump-raids...

I am *so* not an expert in this, but my gut tells me there's a bad pid file lying around and the script doesn't want to start because of it.

s/dump/dumbs

dj_segfault, thnx .. was starting to look at that but I'm thinking that it may not help :o(

on linux the raid writes are made to the end devices just like any normal fs write would be.. if the disk controller supports dma, linux will use that (depends on the controller driver quality)

one installs dmraid for software raid, correct?

Skiingsean:I often put "set -xv" at the top of scripts in situations like this.

that will work better than my mindless strace

How do I tell what physical partitions are in a specific logical volume on an lvm device?

is there a package somewhere for w32 codecs

I'm doing that "vgmerge + pvmove ..".. its working..
thank you for your help!

i believe there's one at mplayer's homepage

frankg, not that is recommended for use

they even have an rpm iirc

lol

why is rpm forked so much?

not that much,... just 2 branches..

what am i going to use to load up a software raid array on an nvidia controller?
fedora doesn't seem to have dmraid in yum, so i assume there's an alternative

I really wish rpm and deb would "merge"

disagreements with the author

I have two questions. First of all, I installed the Java Runtime engine and rpm says it is installed, but it is not showing up in Firefox. Secondly, I am wanting to get Flash support running for an AMD64 machine. Where can I find this at?
I've also heard of plugins that enable Windows apps to run in Linux

bioeng, no flash for x86_64

bioeng, if i recall correctly, flash is only available for firefox-32

if you're only using linux, use linux software raid, it beats the pants of the "faked hardware-raid" that you nvidia controller provides

bioeng, you want to install firefox-32 and then follow the flashhowto
bioeng, available on fedorasolved.org and fedora64.org

m3thos, i already have an array set up. how will that effect it?

bioeng, also.. the sun provided rpm suxs

i need to mostly be able to get the files off of it
:P

what I do is use the drives normally, and setup the sw-raid ontop .. on linux
what kind of raid is it?

raid0

ouch

bioeng, You can use nswrapper in x64 - but you'll never get java working that way - i'm using ff 32 because of it

?

no deal...

lol
i've gotten it working under debian with dmraid

you'll have to use that nvidia controller "sucky-raid"

yup

My device-mapper is crapping on boot too. Most annoyingly it's on a drive I don't even use.

i'm getting rid of it as soon as i clear the files off
in favor of a 1tb drive

OK done, ty

probably two 1tb drives in raid1
:P
anyways, what do i use to go about accessing my array?

By the way, the system-config-securitylevel bug I was having is known as
system-config-securitylevel doesn't save other ports
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=240869

Ok I know this is a dumb q and what the man pages are but what exactly does the -DSSL switch provide to httpd

how many drives do you have there?

How do I find out what physical partitions are on my VolGroup01?

lvdisplay

2
+ an ide
(ide isn't in raid or anything)

raid1... raid0 is a big mistake.. its performance gains are only visible in big writes/reads.. on a normal install (most of it is mad of tiny files) it doesn't pay up

not really a mistake then.
most of my files on there are multiple gigs in size

the reason is that the system/controller has to align both disks heads...
in that case... raid0 can really N times up the bandwith.. were N is the number of drives

yup

ceiling is the slowest drive, or bus bandwith limit

identical 250gb drives
wd raid edition drives actually.
my only complaint is that they run extremely hot

lvdisplay doesn't, actually. I want to know if volgroup00 is my /dev/sda1, or what. I never see this.

vgdisplay ?

i activated ntfs support and added it to the fstab according the help page at fedora unity, however, i dont see my windows hdd in nautilus as it said.

If the f7 kernel is freaking out because one of my logical volumes is larger than it thinks, how do I fix that?

yarddog, which directory you mounted the partition ? look inside that directory

/mnt/windows

yarddog, what does df -h tells.

is too small for

paste at http://rafb.net/paste

ouch

http://fedorasolved.org/post-install-solutions/ntfs
its mounted according to df -h
but not in nautilus

The kernel shouldn't be trying to load /dev/sda anyway. Don't know why it is.

yarddog, i was asking about df -h output and also fdisk -l and also cat /etc/fstab. paste them on rafb.net/paste

http://rafb.net/p/bm6wUp38.html
http://rafb.net/p/YvIFXc58.html
http://rafb.net/p/D99Tyz79.html
all 3

and you trying to access /mnt/windows from nautilus via a normal user or root user? also what is uname -r output ?

2.6.21-1.3228.fc7
yeah normal user
the ntfs gui had me remove the mounting of the vol for the fedora so to read the drives

/dev/sda2 /media/sda2 ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 this is my ntfs line inside /etc/fstab

So, how is it that my fc6 kernel doesn't s**t the bed when I boot but f7 does?

yarddog, and i am the same kernel as you are

ok

s/am/have

banyan, is this the update f7 kernel?

anyone know how to set up kde for one click instead of double?

banyan, why dont you think it should be loading sda?

SpinachHead, control center maybe what you looking for

It's 2.6.21-1.3228.fc7.

banyan, the pata code was re-factored in the upstream kernel.... all pata harddrives should show up in ias sdX now i think

My / and /boot are on what comes up as /dev/sde.
Not sda.
But when the kernel boots, it chokes on /dev/sda.

banyan, what shows up as sda?

is there a control center in kde? cant find it

too small for

banyan, if you have ide/pata controller/drives they could be giving the sda-sdd slots

should be Control Center in the K menu
or type kcontrol into the run dialog

I checked where they end up. What used to be /dev/sda is still /dev/sda , ditto sdb, sdc, sdd. But what used to be hda is now sde.

banyan, so when exactly do you see a message about /dev/sda?
banyan, yes
banyan, what use to be hdX is now goingto show up as sdY... that is known
banyan, how did you upgrade?

too small for
Which ultimately ends up with my kernel panic.
This is my upgrade story. Better get a coffee. I tried using the dvd. Anaconda hangs after I select a keyboard, on the findrootparts step. Tried various things at various times with that.

banyan, did you end up doing a live upgrade?

Got fed up.
My understanding was that the live CD would only do an install, not an upgrade.
I don't wanna do that.

banyan, live.. as in.... via yum

I did a yum upgrade.

banyan, because i cant help you with that scenario sorry

yes. And basically everything works with the exception of the kernel panic on my sda drive.

banyan, but i can say that the shift from hdX to sdY is expected to be a problem for yum upgrades....

I suppose I could reformat sda as just an ext3.

banyan, no you need to search fedoraforum
banyan, you might need to creat the initrd
banyan, thats my best guess

Actually, the drive that gives me the issue is sda, which is an lvm drive, with one partition one one drive.

banyan, when you installed the f7 kernel.. mkinitrd is run.... and uses current system settings...
banyan, you need to rerun mkinitrd while booted into the newer kernel

I don't really use it and if it's making my system choke I would happily un-lvm it.

banyan, its not the lvm-ness

too small for
That's basically an lvm choke on /dev/sda. I am not convinced that the problem goes beyond that.
But anyway, can I run the mkinitrd whilst in rescue mode?
How "up and running" do I need to get things for the mkinitrd to function?
Do I need to switchroot? Do I need to have all the volumes mounted at least?

I am having a problem with the JACK Server. I am trying to use a progam that uses the JACK server. I get an error from it. So I install Qjackctl and it said that the jack server was stopped. So I hit the start button and it gave me an error. Here are the Messages: http://pastebin.com/930532 What should I do to fix it? I uninstalled it, Qjackctl, and Rosegarden4 (the program that isnt working) and reinstalled them. This d
idn't help.

cant you chroot into the os via live cd?

I had heard the comment that I may have unearthed a dev-mapper bug.

dunno if LVM will inhibate that

I can get everything mounted. Didn't actually try chroot.

aha
dmraid is installed!
i just have to "su -" to get to it!

sorry, bad link. Here: http://pastebin.ca/571277

You're suggesting I get / and /boot and so on mounted and in their regular place while running the rescue disk, and then run the mkinitrd command?
That doesn't seem to difficult.

u can chroot into the f7 OS via live CD, then mkintrd

what do your lvm's use?
what drives..

or atleast u should be able to

my one and only lvm uses /dev/sda1.

which was allways sda1 right?

yes.

your kernel trips up on "device discovery phase"
or in some "lvm discovery" phase ?

I would say so.
It's an old /var that has been abandoned.

do you need it?
can you destroy that lvm
and create a new one for instance?

Other than my ipod backup, no.

destroy LV, VG, PV, .. and create it again...
this is a will guess

I maybe can.

s/will/wild

Or even better yet, screw the lvm! It's a single partition on one drive. I can just ext3 it.
uOr even better yet, screw the lvm! It's a single partition on one drive. I can just ext3 it./u
I recently abandoned lvm in favour of raid5.
If you lose one drive or one partition on lvm, the thing is toast.

I'm having problems with it
raid5 with lvm on top

I am having a problem with the JACK Server. I am trying to use a progam that uses the JACK server. I get an error from it. So I install Qjackctl and it said that the jack server was stopped. So I hit the start button and it gave me an error. Here are the Messages: http://pastebin.ca/571277 What should I do to fix it? I uninstalled it, Qjackctl, and Rosegarden4 (the program that isnt working) and reinstalled them. This di
dn't help.

That would be fine too honestly.

running that "start jack" has root ?

Hey guys, I'm having issue getting the java plugin for mozilla working in F7, I installed jre as per the installation guides and created the symbollic link, though still it doesn't seem to work in firefox

no

its failling on something were root access is needed

Oh, I am also having issues in gnome with sound. I don't have any, and it says that I don't have the right gstreamer things running or I don't have a sound card configured. I do have a sound card configured and working. Any ideas?

(the cannot use real-time scheduling )

okay, thanks. It worked now

lvm is a nice feature.. but I'm having performance issues with it

I'm interested in getting the latest Wine (0.9.39) and building it from source (OK, I'm crazy, I admit it). Thing is, I already installed Wine 0.9.36 using yum. Is it necessary or recommended to remove the old one via yum?

It just seems silly to me that when you're talking about one partition on one drive, it would bother to go there.

I had issues booting F7 on my duo core laptop, so I set maxcpus=1, anyone know if there is a fix for that yet?

Sure, you can expand the volume later, but meh.

talexb_, if you want to have better package management i would say to stick with yum

iif you setup your $PATH right.. that should not be needed

wormz, it is registered at bugzilla keep checking it for the latest on that issue

yes.. one partition on one volume.. that lvm isn't there doing anything..
allways do things has simple has possible!
but *not* any simpler!

anyone got mplayerplug-in working in firefox-32?

Yeah! ext3.

firefox-32 ?

yes

no idea about that.

any ideas why my soundcard doesn't seem to connect with gnome?

i have it working with firefox, but firefox-32 doesn't pick up the plugin

Some little thing I need to configure? or install?

system-config-sound

KairuMaiku, are you using f7 or rawhide ?

f7

i havnt got it workin

hmm

i do have flash workin tho

flash only works in firefox-32
lol

that sounds simple! Let me try that.

elZip, I have it workin in the 32 bit but not the 64.....

flash doesn't support 64
or *bsd for that matter, which sucks

KairuMaiku, I realized that after about 2 days of the google thing

KairuMaiku, or qnx

lol vader
it took me 5 minutes
i went 'hmm. flash doesn't support *bsd yet, so probably not 64 bit either'
lol

Anybody know how to get USB to automount in runlevel 3? Some kind of special daemon I can install?

though i did discover that you can run multiple instances of firefox (different versions)
by su-ing to another user

I still have a message show up saying that I don't have the gstreamer thingies installed.

and running it under him or her

hehehehe

even though I can hear the sounds via the system-config-soundcard.

i actually just discovered that
and it's going to be rather useful

openbysource, m3thos, Sorry, was away in #perl .. I chose to go ahead without, and I'm now building .. if it doesn't work, I'll just clean up and try again.

I've never used bugzilla before, can't seem to find that bug

wormz, you can. http://bugzilla.redhat.com and type in maxcpus

okay, I changed the config file to allow non-root users to use real time. I retried the program and it gave me an error having to do with the sound driver. Here is the "messages" from qjackctl: http://pastebin.ca/571316

Moxie?

hello mate

Hey sweetie
What's shakin?

just sitting here having discussions on other channels

nice. I just got home from work, myself.

watching Pirates of the Caribbean and so on

neat

wanna talk elsewhere so we're not OT ?

oh yes, sure, I keep forgetting about that

yeah you 2 are OT

see this is why i like IM, it's nice for chatting

it's OT to say hi to someone?

lol

pidgin. there, we cool ?

oh ok I thought you were serious, Southern_Gentlem. But we'll definitely take the socializing off-channel.

do u have qjackctl installed?

yes
thats from qjackctl

what notebook is of choice for fedora users?

i'm assuming any

RyanRyan52:try starting qjackctl first, and hit start to launch jackd

Something with intel wireless and video.

yea? integrated video ovee nvidia?

thats what I'm doing when I get the error. The error comes when I try to start it

Open drivers.

anyone else getting disconnected from aim like mad?

Hi guys, whenever I try to play a VCD with any application, it either crashes the application or locks everything up

fedorared, so the notice is that big....hmm will beryl run smoothly on it?

i have had similar probelms with jack before using muse. i ened up fixing the problem but i cant remember how

should.

my dmesg | tail return things like this
I/O error, dev sr0, sector 2072

so then lenovo is the way to go then

well, maybe I should restart since I've been messing with sound stuff.

this is with both of my fedora computers (laptop and desktop)

fedorared, so who would u look at besides a lenovo?

i think i had to adjust something with jack there is a command to open an gui interface to jack

also, the discs work fine on my DVD player (for the TV)

talking about this, why is firmware Intel 2x00bg by default in the f7??? it use not to be open... think so, do they "opened"? fedorared

I've seen a few flawless installations on Compaq's, and Gateway's

policy change. they got the firmware distributable.

But I wasn't one-on-one, so I can say that everything worked

nice move

A restart fixed it!

and what about ntfs-3g? it is by default now on F7 also, why? because is not "reverse-engineering" (no idea)? fedorared

Yeah, why is ntfs-3g already installed?

not that it botherme... lol, but I am curius

i looked into this a long tima go, all I found was someone asking why it was ok for ntfs-3g to be included and someone mentioning it had been hashed out on the mailing list already and they should check archives.

curious?

I never found the messages in the archives, I spent a good bit searching for them.

imho, ntfs-3g is now better (tm) than the old one :-)

mhm, interesting sdodson
so, firmware distributable= open??? fedorared

How do I inform dev-mapper that there is no longer any volume group, logical volume or physical volumes to map?

lvdestroy

sdodson, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65749#c30 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2006-09-19

{lv,vg,pv}destroy

you mean vgremove?
(lvremove, pvremove?)

how do i resize a partition in use as a PV ? parted complains it doesn't recognize the filesystem
uhow do i resize a partition in use as a PV ? parted complains it doesn't recognize the filesystem/u

I was just running cdrecord on a CDRW and accidentally closed the terminal it was running in, the disc is still in the drive and the burner light is still blinking, what should I do?

I don't have (vg, lv, pv)destroy.

sdodson, devel-list from 10-2006 "ntfs kernel module"

The process doesn't exist anymore says ps.

the firmware must be redistributable without restriction. See the binary firmware part at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines

hi I want to change the font size and color of the console I get by pressing Ctl+Alt+F1-F6. How can I do it?

have a direct link?

was it nearly complete?

CRASH69, no... i have a gmail cache... you should get one

plop

CRASH69, you have just as much ability to search for that topic in a mailinglist archive as i do

sdodson, half way complete I would imagine.

I have no vol groups, logical volumes or physical volumes anymore. yet mkfs says it can't open exclusively my previously physical volume /dev/sda1.

right, thx, sorry for disturbing you, thx

sdodson, you think it will just complete eventually?

you'll know if its screwed or not if its still burning after 10 minutes

probably not

autopsy, no

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2006-October/msg00596.html

I think this might have happenned once before, and ejecting the disc with the CDR drive's eject button damaged the disc. I
'll let it keep running, maybe it can be salvaged.

How do I get the device mapper and lvm to get its grubby hands off a partition I want to reformat?

probably with pvresize
pvremove

did that.

that should be enough

great, thank you

I think I have a "raid5 blocksize + ext3 blocksize problem
raid5 with 4 devices, the last two are consistently having more data requested from them
like.. some extra 5% for each

m3thos, how the heck did you figure that out?

ahh.. now
iostat -kx
iostat 5 -kx
but I was wrong
the have extra 5% in the size of each request
but their avg is lower..
wtf...

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=210840 comment #1 probably has the best explination of what it's no longer taboo

why the hell is the driver splitting data differently for 4 equal devices on the same controller

m3thos, if this was windows, i'd give you a smart-ass answer to that question

which would it be?

It won't even eject.

m3thos, "That's a feature, not a bug"

ahah
if this was windows.. I would never found out about it :-p

I guess he rebooted.

heh

Hmm, lvm is not letting go of this partition.

I believe you need to vgreduce to remove the pv and then you should be able to pvremove

I was able to pvremove.
The vol group, the logical volume, the physical volume all are nonexistent any longer.

You did this before reducing the volume group?

I did.

Ok, so what's happening now?

mkfs /dev/sda1 fails saying that /dev/sda1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!
I removed the dmraid flag from /dev/sda...
I don't know what else to do.
maybe a reboot. bleah.

did you change the partition type?

I did.

Perhaps try partprobe

no...

since fedora i have been using sendmail to send an email to a machine thru a cron task. i just upgraded to F7 and i am getting a stat=deferred: 451 dyanmic ip addresses

that didn't work...

my thought is that it is something to do with an /etc/hosts file or something

m3thos, did you give your ext3 fs an appropriate stride size?
http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Disk_Optimization

hell, nope. in xfs land, the sucker finds that out for me.. I thought those 1990s were over...

I did kill a process that was transferring a big file from the filesystem that used to be there...
maybe it thinks that is still active, but would that not show up with fuser -v?

Hi

banyan, vgchange -a n youroldvg

Is there any consensus about with virtual machine is better, Xen or Qemu?

VolGroup01: not found.

better for what?

for running virtual machines

banyan, destrying things is the easy part. you'll figure it out.

well this sucks, my VCDs work on windows but not fedora

lots of choices.. depends on what you want to do...

meh, maybe a reboot.
again.

depends no hardware virtualization support, OS your running, performance you need...etc..
easy of use, learning curve

I'm speaking in general terms. Does one have better hardware support, performance, etc than the other? Or are they about the same?

qemu is more of a processor emulator

banyan, shouldn't be necessary. umount your LVs, disable the volgroup, pvremove the PVs to wipe the metadata, change the parttype if you want, then reformat 'em
gone.

since fedora i have been using sendmail to send an email to a machine thru a cron task. i just upgraded to F7 and i am getting a stat=deferred: 451 dyanmic ip addresses

xen usually has better performance. Qemu is a whole "PC emulator", xen is a "hypervisor"... it need to modify the OS that will run on it to make it "Xen-aware"... and that provides better performance and some extra features

that probably has nothing to do with the F7 upgrade and everything to do with you using a dynamic IP address

has anyone here successfully got VCDs to play on Fedora 7?

if you have a bought in 2006 cpu, you cpu will have hardware virt. support, and Xen will run OS'es with needing to modify them..

i understand that, but i was hoping someone could lend me a hand. the email is to another computer that acts as the dyndns server

Xen is also oriented to datacenter setups, with lots of VMs.. and migrating VM between machines..etc.. its more complicated to manage than Qemu

baddonkey99, updatedb && locate rpmnew
baddonkey99, i'm sure you'll see some new configs that you need to deal with

a more recent alternative is KVM.. which is kind of qemu on steroids.. faster and simpler to use than Xen

baddonkey99, maybe sendmail is one of them ;-)

there aren't benchmarks between Xen and KVM.. so which is faster is pure speculation...

I think of kvm as like hardware virt Xen, but in the kernel

will try thanks

its a lot simpler than Xen, Xen has a totally different design...

Thanks for the insights.

but that is a good "simplification".. yes

I also just found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines

is there a processor flag (/proc/cpuinfo) that indicates hw support for virtualization?

yes.. vmx
on intel
cpus
don't know the flag name on amd64

nope nothing new for sendmail

but you can probably google for it

svm

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Fedora7VirtQuickStart

for Secure Virtual Machine

hm. no such luck

I've found the cpu flag doesn't show up unless it's running a xen kernel, atleast in RHEL5.

I'm on a Pentium D 820. I really doubt it has support

It does not

cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep vmx

what is vme?

Pentium D 9x0 series do

OK. Thanks, Bob-Laptop

Core2Duo T5500 and greater do also

what does the vme flag mean?

I'm not google!, donn't know
Bob-Laptop: CoreDuo T2500 support hw virt.
for intel cpus, just "cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep vmx2 ..
erm.. s/vmx2/vmx"

I did a half-assed 'upgrade' from an AMD Athlon 2500+ to this about 5-6 months ago
bI did a half-assed 'upgrade' from an AMD Athlon 2500+ to this about 5-6 months ago/b

you could say that again.. upgrading to a pentium D ... .-\

I couldn't afford to go PCI-E at the time

going to bed

I figured this'd be at least marginally better and it is

Intel is supposed to be introducing a second generation of their virtualization technology.

To get really up to date I'll have to buy a motherboard, memory, video card...

Having Intel's VT was a requirement in my new laptop as was 4 gigs of ram so I could do some Virt stuff
Problem has been that the hardware is so new much of it is not yet supported

The classic FOSS conundrum

graphics card, wireless card, and something to do with the Optical drive not showing up
LOL, discovered today that it has web cam built in that I did not know about, also not supported

heheh

Bob-Laptop: what about the whole 4gb of ram
isn't part of it missing.. ?

nope

Now, I have an issue with getting mkfs to run. It says no such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size.

(a lot of bios have dma/device mapping problems and eat the last 0.5gig for pci mappings and other stuff)

total used free shared buffers cached
4058932 3454312 604620 0 305972 2043556

something is very weird with your setup

One would hope chipsets and bioses as new as those required for Core2 no longer have such limitations.

so some is sucked up by the video card only

or.. you are messing everything up... :-p...

What is a good way that I can share files between my Linux computer and my windows computer without using SMB.

one would hope.. but nope.. were I work.. all the new core2dup+4gig Dells, with winXPsp2 ontop... windows only sees 3Gb

get SFU for the windows box and use NFS

And if I force it, it says device or resource busy.
gawdammit.

okay, thx

that was WAY to easy
want to bet he comes back crying about the 300MB download for SFU?
LOL

Or that you can't find it anymore.

that was a hell of read.... basically, "the kernel is protected on patents from OIN" & " No NTFS patent is known in any country at present."... so, all this time never really exist an legal issue for ntfs support... sdodson

They're trying to drive people to using 2003r2.

I had to do a dmsetup remove to get the little m*****f***er to lay its hands off of /dev/sda1.
Now it's formatting away happily.

XFCE

Oh wait
Crap that's backwards
KDE GNOME XFCE

No, you had it correct the first time

fluxbox doesn't get a mention?

Oh
KDE GNOME XFCE FluxBox (But you gotta be damn cool to use it)
uKDE GNOME XFCE FluxBox (But you gotta be damn cool to use it)/u

hehehe
true

TWM4Lyfe

lol

heheh

well... init 3 is probably the best out of all of them :P

mwm

allelse

yeah, i concur

huh?

what is ~= again?

i think this bash quote sums it up best

approximately equal to

ok

KDE or GNOME, it's like deciding which fat girl you want to date.
bKDE or GNOME, it's like deciding which fat girl you want to date./b

heh

lol
gnome is alot lighter than KDE though

true

hardly

what?

but still not as light as fluxbox or xfce

gnome starts up a lot faster
yeah

think about all the deps gnome pulls

mm

I have a software raid set with three disks (raid 5) but when I run dmraid -r I only see the last two disks. Is this right?

well I use KDE

banyan, try dmraid -ay -v
that'll set up whatever you have
i think

It's already running.

oh
no clue
i use raid0

but I have to do an mdadm manually.

how do you restart dbus in fedora? in ubuntu there was an init.d script that could do it

service messagebus restart
same thing different name

or
/etc/rc.d/init.d/messagebus restart
depends on your preferences

Actually, the set is listed wrong! I need to rejig that. How do I include a third disk in an existing raid set?

thanks

mdadm --grow, no?

he's using dmraid

brb

I have to get it running with mdadm.
dmraid shows two of the volumes with the same volume label but the first one has none.
It doesn't come up on boot and I wonder if this is why.

Damn. Konqueror is starting to exhibit the 'jump to the top of the page you're on before loading the link you clicked' bug

if I want to add a new entry to grub.conf

Where is the blasted KDE 3.5.7 update!

how do I find out which HD the OS is on?
to use for root (hdx, y)

er
mount it
mount your drives
till you find the one you want

yeah... it already is
but it's an sdc

so?

so how does that translate to hd

oho

my XP hd is mounted under /dev/sdc1
so what hd is that

hd0.0

you have sda,sdb, right?
(hd3,0)

it can't be

sd3,0

that's my fedora one

er
hd3,0

^

hd0.0

ok, but how did you work that out

sdc

alex[six], the letters are the first number, the partition # is the second

yup

ok

sda is hd0, sdb is hd1, sdc (yours) is hd2
err
(hd2,0)

[root@blackrock udev]# cat /etc/udev/rules.d/60-ivtv.rules
KERNEL=="video*", OWNER:="mythtv", GROUP:="mythtv", MODE:="0660"

whoops

hehe

and your partition is 1
so it's (hd2,0)

ok
cheers

hehe now he's gonna go blow up his pc

oh dear
that's what I tried before and it didn't work

lol j/p

what'd grub whine about?

unknown file system

hum. How's it formatted?

NTFS

well that's your problem.

how so?

grub can't read ntfs.

sure it can
I've done this before with fc6
you have to point it to the windows MBR I think

there are some specific flags you have to pass to dual-boot.. I've never done it, only glanced at them

ok

let me look up the gentoo docs on this, hold on

ahh ferrum I think I know what the problem is
I haven't put any map entries in

http://rafb.net/p/BLCOaL48.html
this is the gentoo grub.conf for multiboot with windows

this udev thing is strange, it seems to be kicking in when i run udevtrigger, but it's not setting the owner and group

the bottom four lines specifically

if I change the name to something else, somehow it does work tho
(name of the device)

I just added some map lines and it worked

my motorola v360 is not showing up as usb mass storage device (connection set to usb, sd card inserted, did work on other OSs/distros)

map (hd2) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd2)
got no idea what that does but meh
it works

ohhh right
damn you windows I forgot your trickery

you know what that does?

yes, windows can only boot from hd0
so it fakes it and makes windows happy

oh ok
oh so it swaps the drives around kinda

just ostensibly, yeah

or atleast windows thinks so
I get it
oh man... I wonder why I did this now
windows is so disgusting

uh ya

udev can be incredibly frustrating. this stuff worked fine in the past

whats the command to burn fedora 7 to my DVD-R - im on fc6 now

wewt-_-: easiest way is to just install gnomebaker and burn with that

my cat makes a good pullow

wewt-_-: right click on it and write image to disk?

ya that burns ISOs ?

pillow
why not just use the burn command?

ya i did that before but
im making sure it writes the iso correctly

wewt-_-: yeah. Nautilus also burns ISOs like sdodson pointed out.

i never burned an iso on fc6
ill just try gnomebaker

or k3b

wodim
i think that'll write isos

wodim is cdrecord, so yes.

i know how to burn to CD_Rs but
i never burned to a dvd-r on fc6 ;p or an iso

shouldn't be any differnet

just making sure
should i even bother to install f7 or stick with fc6 for a while longer?

wewt-_-: f7 has been pretty stable for me

got an ATi card?

wewt-_-: depends if your mentality is "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" or not

ya well why not upgrade?.

can't think of any reason not to. Unless you have an ATI card.

My raid is giving me trouble. See http://pastebin.ca/571491 for details...
I have a three-disk raid 5 setup, but dmraid thinks it's a two-disk mirror. It won't load on boot.

i do have a ati card but
that's not why im updating
i just am bc...i like to run the newest version lamo

ATI card will only give you 2D graphics

i dont care about graphics
i don't play any games besides one java game

Depending on the card

that is already basicly 2d

you aren't talking about what i think you are
are you?

what?

does it start with an r and end with unescape?

haha ;P
been playing for 7 years

:|

ya well
like i said..i been playing it 7 years ^^

If I've started a raid 5 disk with mdadm, does dmraid have anything whatsoever to do with it?

banyan, no

OK, then, what would prevent a raid array from being assembled and starting up on boot?
should I remove the metadata dmraid has on two of the three drives?

would anyone happen to know how to use sunOS vi...i know on nx its escape + :i but on sunOS it dosnt go into insert mode when i do that :-o

wewt-_-: Just i, no :/
**no :

i tried escape + :insert
didn't work either..i googled around didnt my exact answer

Define "didn't work"

it says ":i not a vaild command"

As in, what happened instaed?
*Instead
I told you no :- no colon.

i like i said..it just said it was an invaild cmd

":i not a vaild command" that has a : in it.
You know, the symbol with one dot over the other?

to go into insert mode you press escape + :i
and press enter :p

no, you just press "i"

:-o

Don't listen to that.
You just press i.

i never used sunOS lol
alright ill try it later

it's the same on *nix.

wewt-_-: It's pretty much univesal.
**unversal

no it isnt
lol
well
i was doing it from a shell
on another box

Then that's a seriously messed up vi.

Lo and behold, the OS of the day is... Mac OS 9. Using Chatzilla. Yeehaw

well it may be on an exploited box
;o

wewt-_-: Actually, maybe Vim (vi improved) has that.

ya..i tried vim
nano
pico
all that
dosnt matter
not that important

What are "%wa" and "%si" for CPU percentages in top?

I don't know - is it not in the man page?

wa is wait

And then you wait for si

k im off to install f7

why would I have 86%wa and my system reporting 100% usage for the past 15 minutes without an appreciable amount of heat being generated, but with a ubnch of lag?

you're doing lots of disk IO?

Dick IO

beagle?

lol

How do I turn Beagle off?

That works :/
You know that yuo actually have it?

Services, I believe.

sometimes around this time of day, I've seen the beagle-build-index process at work

I know that it bogged me down seriously in Fedora Core 6, and I'm glad it's not intalled be default in F7.
Back then my system was only 466 MHz, and it wouldn't even play a video smoothly with beagle running.

what is the best way to migrate dataabses from one remote mysql server to another?

mysqldump?

does udev act different under Xen?

Hi there! I work iwth Fedora (KDE though), and have a HP3180 scanner/printer combo.. The printer works perfectly and now I wish to use the scanner but.. how? what program do I have to use? How to detect / configure it, and what program can do the scanning?

try going thru gimp

Kooka

Great! Thanks a lot

battling udev for five hours now
this is insane
it must be something with Xen. But I thought Domain-0 controlled the devices

it should

hi
I've a problem with Xine and Widescreen
chipset = Intel 945M
graphic
video is difformed

in what way? wrong aspect ratio?

Do you want a screenshot ?
the aspect ratio don't change anything

k

no problems in mplayer
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captureox6.png
resolution 1280x800

hm

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
ModelName "LCD Panel 1280x800"
HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0
VertRefresh 59.9 - 60.1
DisplaySize 336 259

and it's like that when playing a movie too?

yes
same in Xine and gxine

you ratio in X seems fine, so it's probably not Xorg.cnf

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